From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 6 12:18:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541C416A4D0 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 12:18:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B813143DA6 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 12:18:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 2.2g3) with ESMTP id 6639073 for ; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:15:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <2410174336.20050506130648@wanadoo.fr> References: <20050506103934.10FA34BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <20050506105433.GA84877@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <2410174336.20050506130648@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <73834c0c2b28ff7e6a7cb7542d1e453e@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:18:29 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Subject: Re: Mailinglist privacy: MY NAME ALL OVER GOOGLE! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 12:18:32 -0000 On May 6, 2005, at 7:06 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas writes: > >> This is a recurring theme. It's really *NOT* the fault of the >> postmaster of FreeBSD.org that you posted to public mailing lists. > > It _is_ the fault of the mailing list manager that posts are being > archived without the permission of mailing-list members. Members must > be required to explicitly grant permission when they subscribe. Yeah, cuz, we wouldn't want the archives to be referenced for people who are looking for help on topics, after all. >> The Handbook section about mailing lists[1] says: > > What the Handbook says is irrelevant, because nobody is required to > read > it in order to subscribe to a list. Do they need to issue a specific list of "what to do" when using FreeBSD or interacting with the community? And how many people would actually follow it ANYWAY? Most don't even read the @#%# EULA on the software they install on their home computer. Most users out there still think they OWN their operating system (how many times have I explained to them that they only license Windows, they don't own it?), and you think that people will read disclaimers for joining a mailing list? We're lucky when people read the directions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe. How about people use common sense before joining lists and posting to them, and take some responsibility for the things they do? How about reading up on how it works, or googling for information ahead of time? The Handbook is referenced as what is supposed to pass for the authoritative source of information for FreeBSD users. It is most definitely NOT irrelevant. Just because you'd rather belch out questions to a list instead of first looking for the answers on your own is no excuse for dismissing it, especially since so many on the list have told users to READ THE HANDBOOK, which ironically should show up in the google searches hitting the archives if people bothered to do so. Now they're complaining because they're showing up in the google searches because of the archives...the same ones that keep saying to look in the Handbook for information. Oh, the irony. People won't read the rules and guidelines anyway. Yet the information is out there. It's not hidden. It's certainly no secret that these posts are archived out there, as are web pages and potentially anything else you wave around for the Internet public to see. Better yet start some arguments with the governments and businesses that are video taping people with security cameras on street corners and inside stores. Users have all this information available to them, and it should be common sense that if the archives are supposed to be searchable for future reference that it makes sense your postings may potentially make your words immortal...well, as immortal as the Internet will be.