From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 31 15:42:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA13379 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:42:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA13373 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:42:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA00863; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:40:07 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:40:07 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Koum X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Terry Lambert cc: Ruslan@shevchenko.kiev.ua, grog@lemis.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD GUI, revisited (was Re: FreeBSD slogan/advert ideas) In-Reply-To: <199710312325.QAA23834@usr01.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk <-- Redirected to -chat from -hackers --> On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Terry Lambert wrote: >> > 2. We have not GUI admin interface for FreeBSD, >> > so newbaies will preffer other systems. >> >> This is a win in our side. I find it a plus not needing a gui and >> beeng on the console for the important tasks. As for newbies? Thats why >> there is NT, so they won't bother us. Just kidding. I think you should >> learn the OS from the bottom up. First you learn shell, kernel, file >> system, io, vm, etc and then only you go to X/GUI. I know some "NT Admins" >> who don't even suspect that NT can be used in the DOS mode (or shell, or >> emulator, or whatever you call that scary little rectangular DOS looking >> like prompt). > >The whole point is that you will never get the users who believe you >should *not* have to use the OS, only the *applications* that run >*on* the OS. > >Your requirements list makes it look like you must be a computer scientist >to run a decent OS. Your bar is too high for users. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org >--- >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. > I guess you are right. I did went a bit over the line. But I still think that one should know basics of how computers work in order to use them. Maybe kernel, file system and etc. are not in the basic group. True. But then again the more you know, the more likely you are to take a full advantage of the OS and it's features. Take our sysinstall for example. It requires that you know basics before you use it. Yet, it has options for beginner, medium and advanced installation. -- Yan