From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 27 02:26:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF83D16A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmsrelay02.mx.net (cmsrelay02.mx.net [165.212.11.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E70043D39 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:26:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from noackjr@alumni.rice.edu) Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 27 Mar 2004 10:26:24 -0000 Received: from optimator.noacks.org [65.69.2.212] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/noackjr@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.13N) with ESMTP id 775icAkAu0063M29; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:26:20 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 65.69.2.212 AUTH noackjr@usa.net optimator.noacks.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E5A6144; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 04:26:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from optimator.noacks.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (optimator.noacks.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11184-09; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 04:26:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from alumni.rice.edu (compgeek [192.168.1.10]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2EF60FC; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 04:26:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <40655739.8010507@alumni.rice.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 04:28:09 -0600 From: Jon Noack User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5+ (Windows/20040312) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Don Bowman References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at noacks.org cc: 'Garance A Drosihn' cc: current@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: LOR status page? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: noackjr@alumni.rice.edu List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:26:24 -0000 On 3/24/2004 7:15 PM, Don Bowman wrote: > From: Garance A Drosihn [mailto:drosih@rpi.edu] >> At 3:46 PM -0800 3/24/04, Kris Kennaway wrote: >>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 02:03:28PM -0600, Jon Noack wrote: >>>> Would it be helpful to put up a web page with all known lock >>>> order reversal false positives (or better yet all known lock >>>> order reversals with a status indication)? This would allow >>>> people to check there before reporting, saving everyone time. >>> >>> Clearly we need to do something to stop people reporting the same >>> non-bugs every day, the problem is that it needs to be somewhere >>> people are likely to check. Maybe a pointer to your proposed >>> webpage in UPDATING will help. >> >> Could we do something so we don't PRINT the false-positives? If >> we're about to turn 5.x-current into 5.x-stable, then it is not >> good to tell users "Here are a bunch of error messages that you >> should just ignore". At least in my experience, what happens is >> that users are much more likely to ignore *all* error messages. >> >> I have no idea what would need to be done, of course. I'm just >> uneasy at telling users to ignore scary-looking error messages. >> >> I do agree that a web page saying exactly which ones to ignore >> would be better than expecting end-users to figure that out by >> scanning the mailing lists... > > How about make the first line of the error message be: "This > technique sometimes produces false positives... See http://.../ for > more details" I like this idea. Anyone willing to commit such a change? If so, I'll get going on the web page and let you know when it's ready. Without such a blatant pointer I don't think the page would be useful enough to warrant creating it. Jon