From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 13 17:19:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC719978 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:19:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vps1.elischer.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 766E8EEA for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:19:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from Julian-MBP3.local (ppp121-45-248-228.lns20.per4.internode.on.net [121.45.248.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5DHJXmh080380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 13 Jun 2015 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <557C661F.8080104@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 01:19:27 +0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Chisnall , Ian Lepore CC: Steve Kargl , Alexander Kabaev , Marcel Moolenaar , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r284198 - head/bin/ls References: <201506100127.t5A1RdX6051959@svn.freebsd.org> <20150612204309.11dd3391@kan> <20150613024916.GA98218@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:19:53 -0000 On 6/13/15 11:38 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > On 13 Jun 2015, at 11:17, Ian Lepore wrote: >> If you would have told me a year ago that you had a simple scheme that >> could make 30 years of experience maintaining code for unix-like systems >> completely worthless I would have been skeptical, but it seems we're >> well on our way. > There is a lot of heckling and unhelpful hyperbole in this thread. Reading the xo_emit format strings takes a little bit of getting used to, but the same is true of printf - it’s just that we’re already used to printf. The structured parts (xo_open_container, xo_close_container and friends) are clear and descriptive. The changes are fairly invasive, but the benefits are also very large for anyone who is wanting to automate administration of FreeBSD systems. > > If you have suggestions for how the libxo APIs could be improved, then please let us know - Phil is very reception to suggestions but objections along the lines of ‘it’s not what I’m used to and changes sometimes break things so we should never have changes’ are not helpful. > > David > I made a suggestion for an alternate path in the previous thread. https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2015-March/054855.html but I have a job and kids so I can't object if I'm not listened to.. (no time to actually follow my own advice and produce working code.)