From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 12 19:01:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B921065674 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:01:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=407f7083d=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44BF8FC26 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:01:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=407f7083d=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,211,1243832400"; d="scan'208";a="13573153" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 12 Jun 2009 14:01:08 -0500 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B79FD4EF37; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:01:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:01:08 +0000 From: Paul Schmehl To: Nick@Pettefar.com, questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <2B5D4F0CDC46B10416117B13@utd65257.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <20090612093514.663e8e09.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Installation Manual X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:01:10 -0000 --On Friday, June 12, 2009 12:12:36 -0500 Nick@Pettefar.com wrote: > > Nowhere up to that point in the Installation chapter and process (I > didn't need to have said) did it mention X. > > What is the point of having a step-by-step installation manual which > then concludes with "If the X server has been configured and a Default > Desktop chosen, it can be started by typing startx at the command > line." when up to that point it hasn't mentioned X!? Mentioning it > three chapters later is not really very helpful to people struggling > to get the thing installed step-by-step! > > Step-by-step guides are difficult to write, especially be people that > know a lot about the subject beforehand as details tend to get glossed > over. > > When it doesn't work (as has happened to me) and you have to Ctrl-Alt- > Del then you are left feeling lost and confused - a bit like Linux ten > years ago. (OpenSuse installed and worked graphically perfect). > > Shouldn't there be an X configuration stage in the installation process? > That's probably not a bad idea, so long as it's optional. (I don't want X on my servers.) However, another point that I think is worthwhile is that some verbiage should be added to that section to point to Section 5, which explains how to setup Xorg. So perhaps change this: "If the X server has been configured and a Default Desktop chosen, it can be started by typing startx at the command line." To this: ""If the X server has been configured and a Default Desktop chosen, it can be started by typing startx at the command line. NOTE: If you have not yet installed and configured Xorg (it is not the default), refer to chapter 5 of the Handbook for instructions." Please don't top post. It's confusing as hell. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* Check the headers before clicking on Reply.