From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 25 9: 6:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DF6150FC for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 09:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA74973; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:17:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:17:03 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Terry Lambert Cc: David Schwartz , alk@pobox.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On hub.freebsd.org refusing to talk to dialups Message-ID: <19990925151703.A74168@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <000201bf06d8$932f5ac0$021d85d1@youwant.to> <199909242319.QAA16152@usr04.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199909242319.QAA16152@usr04.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 11:19:09PM +0000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 11:19:09PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > This doesn't work when you attempt to define an "everybody but X" > group. It doesn't matter if "X" is "whites" or "blacks" or > "people with Brazialian ancestry" or "people who don't have > static IP addresses, either because they are unavailable in > their region, or because they are too poor". Just as a side point -- don't assume that you can't be a dial up customer and not have a static IP address. Demon Internet, one of the biggest ISPs in the UK allocate static IP addresses to their customers, and have done since they started. It's very useful when your line drops while in the middle of downloading large files. Just redial and continue. You can't do this with dynamic IP addresses. Denying me the ability to send e-mail directly, and forcing me to use my ISP's mail relay is a very bad thing. For one thing it puts me in control of when delivery is attempted, and reattempted. For another it means that I'm not reliant on my ISP for anything except IP connectivity. Which, quite frankly, is all I want from an ISP. N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message