From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 9 10:41:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1AB37B400 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from directvinternet.com (dsl-65-185-140-165.telocity.com [65.185.140.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D376943E42 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from Tolstoy.home.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by directvinternet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89HfFGd019396; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:41:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from localhost (nwestfal@localhost) by Tolstoy.home.lan (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id g89HfFgo019390; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:41:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Tolstoy.home.lan: nwestfal owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neal E. Westfall" X-X-Sender: nwestfal@Tolstoy.home.lan To: Lawrence Sica Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-Reply-To: <1D9E168A-C38F-11D6-8C5E-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020909103923.B9219-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Lawrence Sica wrote: > >>> An understanding of the characteristics of mutation in virrii, and > >>> the development of new vaccines are not at all dependent on the > >>> theory of evolution. Mutations != evolution. > >> > >> On the very contrary. Evolution can only go forth through mutation. > >> Please do read Darwin's ``Origin of the Species'' again. > > > > Ahem. Evolution *requires* mutations to function, i.e. is *driven* > > by mutations. But the fact that mutations occur does not prove > > evolution. Mutations and evolution are two different things. > > > > Mutation is a mechanism of evolution. Evolution is the process. One > could make the leap of faith that since we mutate over time and these > mutations change the species we evolve... This is just what I am trying to get people to admit, that evolution requires tremendous leaps of faith. Now if you could see that it is also irrational, my job would be done. Neal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message