From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Thu Feb 2 03:30:36 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78515CCB2DC for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2017 03:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x244.google.com (mail-io0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 451A41754 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2017 03:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x244.google.com with SMTP id q20so22975357ioi.3 for ; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 19:30:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=OGKRJ4LRGV7uhR4C2wizwHO8FIVTvINc8WAJ5KLhDgU=; b=VCRW3V2h699E63v1/21bTZoRjQxQvAP4Pqpe1Ig0uh9u+6LBWNkXvab0nzmUKP5wbF wKyzh1mdfHeTge0LuZIwoSxaxLqfdCnnkIo6R6DxfQhi1408zmQDV7ORSnTupV/CqY9a 2A7PJ4bDJeuOPv6jS5zFgjHmS59zo3x3d2EBIZFNQ4EIYkJWoqewBoy5KXMh0dADaSuu 0KnHYDAM4M7Z1IR1erEdWFbCVzu+PsYWQdOWp4a+iJOjeTCiJj0wYLD016viJrLfgJpG hw1COMQsTIOmUFsm/XWBmZhR0+2qjzJE7fjTGhqHyiFYw9dr3GsKu9DxTM29Oh2BHqjf 5VIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OGKRJ4LRGV7uhR4C2wizwHO8FIVTvINc8WAJ5KLhDgU=; b=tuPRq6FO7GRCWyF6MUuJJj8Gz+BSotY7m3dG0PcbUOCec/1BgjeteqUURy1LJRiI4r PWCEnyaYFD33NUUwCPQY1jcjv0GeqZCoXC4mLIyv7g3Sj3SI/BZWh3J7VadMZ0Njxp5U RXspMQjeIgO10IXhVVq2FXZQSwXq+bb7bz6edkYAc0DPz+ZbcJCaGLjA+WRDglXiA5s4 VkX2heofHzCFL8M1D1JCEPpVip1jFnuHRAG47MxqiV+M3c+bZupL8lpLrZO9Zp6vzfg2 EcfEhkXzDaiIeZ8Z5xwHwaIHPWg710t5QCFHpipEepm2PHYj8JYgEtmyfngDmTe56Nrw le7g== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXJnOygkwuEh4eMqRf4SFEQlamGjDqqhe0bMy8Gt5ZWTsRRKfsgeItqb4jM+uJuS0A2TXMN/yIhl2fhc5Q== X-Received: by 10.107.139.131 with SMTP id n125mr5306910iod.166.1486006235508; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 19:30:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.145.217 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 19:30:34 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [50.253.99.174] In-Reply-To: <1485986136.3017.89.camel@freebsd.org> References: <201701280222.v0S2MFSR022477@repo.freebsd.org> <3458844.3oruRKbrzH@ralph.baldwin.cx> <20170201103555.GA79121@zxy.spb.ru> <12386326.7GSpFTXsMZ@ralph.baldwin.cx> <20170201170950.GF79121@zxy.spb.ru> <20170201213956.GA3765@lonesome.com> <20170201215007.GA37974@zxy.spb.ru> <1485986136.3017.89.camel@freebsd.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 20:30:34 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Ax_4mNnqfOkXo_xyp82dPduF7lk Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r312910 - in head: . etc/etc.pc98 etc/rc.d lib/libsysdecode libexec release release/doc release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/hardware release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/readme release/doc/share/example... To: Ian Lepore Cc: Slawa Olhovchenkov , Mark Linimon , John Baldwin , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , src-committers , Takahashi Yoshihiro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 03:30:36 -0000 On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Thu, 2017-02-02 at 00:50 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 03:39:57PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: >> >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 08:09:50PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >> > > >> > > Also, I am think current ports don't build on 4.x. >> > I will personally guarantee, in writing, that current ports do not >> > build >> > on 4.x, nor have they done so for years. I personally removed the >> > legacy >> > cruft when 4.11 finally went EOL. >> > >> > > >> > > I am got complains about using ports on 8.x. >> > I am 99% certain that ports will not work on either 8.x or >> > 9.x. Legacy >> > cruft was removed at the EOL in each of those cases. >> > >> > Anyone who think that we can support ports on 4.x, 5.x, 6.x, 7.x, >> > 8.x, >> > 9.x, 10.x, 11.x, and -current, all at the same time, needs to seek >> > medical >> > attention at once. At the absolute least, that era spans 3 major >> > versions >> > of make(1) and two completely different package implementations. >> I am assume no problem to use new make on old system. >> May be posible use pkg too (not sure about pkg requirements to >> syscalls). >> > > I can't say anything about 4.x, but I have no problems building current > ports on 8.2. I have backported a few crucial changes to make, like > handling :tl and :tu, and that's about it. It may not be officially > supported, but it's not hard to make it work for those who have a need. > > I also still support systems that use true ISA-slot hardware, but that > doesn't include any storage or network controllers. Mostly the ISA > cards are proprietary things, plus one ancient 8-port uart expansion > card that amazingly still works and can still be purchased. Yea, but those systems aren't quite pure ISA systems. They are SBCs with an ISA interface, but with PCI NICs and built in IDE controllers. We're not talking about breaking those. Your systems have 64MB or more of RAM, which is enough to run FreeBSD (should you guys ever forward port). Though, to be honest, I'm not sure if UART would work with that particular card... All the proprietary cards that I recall should still work, though there may be some hassle with the network stuff one of them does. Warner