From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 10 04:27:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78A944A0 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 04:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm11-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29BF61075 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 04:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.39.60.168] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2013 04:24:54 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.148] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2013 04:24:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2013 04:24:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1386649494; bh=7eFdo0NeAqocCF4YihTyxmXaPPkWrdWVRJftluPqCdo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:Date:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject; b=Cdw2jmgJpCUEJZv+majcU2ObLcR0l+QQj9UI9dgz8rXiYQh88bXvmTZby7onUDxoWDNxlrDj+L0LEJkG2JKZKFrNOyDdeRmxJePXzqsA5D8I0gOJHsL8u16pGNtabfhSuBKCMVqOj3B2ClKGQl0CvW+YWwRojEWNYdwz5JRMkv4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 942726.59880.bm@smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <942726.59880.bm@smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 04:24:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: J3mVZQ8VM1lQTciFVKfYhAL91325pc4JHuf2pOoAIKcbRyf scUHNTchUjyWL4Hl9ky8CfyuKRDFC_sXfqURm5BzX.Jed9QM92O1BPAxaNHz cvH8OQedPj2SL3Xk.zob9NNOMaYXCh_QFC7gMbzYx5.q_oZRa0OP4Ha6I84S ctLMY4acD9D4NCv0XgVJ9QsLfq2MyCC3gjNXa24kp8EeYe.tN1iAi1Uu_Oo7 SmYIH1BviDhPnyjzTGpAlZnzS2FbVeL_7jPaH6a8J50dD5rbbznATWTtlERj oONONuA.8MSezXT5BA_wuU2ZVLQsaL4UfUXHnRvL2AE_Xh9sj.LdS24AZoN3 nszkAnbILTHa1pkFowjJKCqGMWu0fCdDaRBG92MrWUjFhZDqlLobh_YEum2m nCoZmjLQMwg0L7loWM6XCKbGdrS6efgKJJIXdbvHGhcyg6boxxY1b15CcRB3 RYp1aNe0bT1l0f660Z..spJD26gMeCOW1LTFrY7IBWC_j8_4MHk_8BrqToEN 90y5z42HEc_Z2ZHiF5av9VSaM_P1D3CNQRPdAF3K.0wzC8kJoWsXEliygJPl YH0Rg5pASgJNHlfs3IroVkbAu.Hg4oYGR2Qt2Y4MfM9VwweXzyk_ufZiLdFk jvX0BgOsCQmGVXwsRCJHElh9VQEuswE0CTh9GsNv31ohGiA8E8ezgS06_2a4 qb5KziiIvxK.g7jYPnf5GVSBK1A-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Kz_aW1.swBBYof3zAD7.RWzXz9ZAQVDMml1VADsbgPT4Kq79LC0- X-Rocket-Received: from localhost (mueller6724@96.28.178.143 with ) by smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2013 04:24:54 +0000 UTC From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Gnome3??? no way!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 04:27:17 -0000 My limited experience with GNOME 3 is unfavorable. First was from gnome3.org in the early days of GNOME 3. I downloaded .iso and USB-stick images with Fedora and SUSE Linux, tried on an old computer with 256 MB RAM, graphic interface wouldn't start. On newer computer, I had a Linux GNOME USB-stick image with sort of a squashed fs, it sort of worked, but I had a hard time finding my way around. More recently, I tried the OpenBSD 5.3 USB-stick image from liveusb-openbsd.sourceforge.net . I had a hard time finding my way around. Mouse pointer was invisible but must have been present since active area of desktop changed as I moved the mouse. This OpenBSD couldn't read my hard drive at all, but that was due to OpenBSD's lack of support for GPT. I am trying again, downloaded the OpenBSD 5.4 USB-stick image, 7-zipped (p7zip), extracts into 16000000000 byte file for 16 GB USB stick. I haven't dd'ed it yet, am waiting to see which USB stick to use depending on whether I can update NetBSD-current i386 on a 16 GB USB stick without problems with that particular USB stick. If not satisfied, I will write OpenBSD 5.4 image to that and use another 16 GB USB stick for NetBSD-current i386 if it builds successfully. This is largely to see how the wireless drivers behave (rsu and athn) and if it has some useful firmware files. I don't expect a productive system without support for GPT and USB 3.0. Tom