Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:33:23 -0400 From: Bill Moran <wmoran@potentialtech.com> To: Tim Traver <tt-list@simplenet.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives Message-ID: <20040610193323.6217f5d5.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040610134107.04accc70@mail1.simplenet.com> References: <20040610103818.148867d2.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040610091022.01eecec0@mail1.simplenet.com> <20040610124237.3b5b6687.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040610095745.04dc23f0@mail1.simplenet.com> <20040610133850.3de5367a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040610134107.04accc70@mail1.simplenet.com>
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Tim Traver <tt-list@simplenet.com> wrote: > Bill, > > ok, I tested this out for ya, and I couldn't duplicate the issue. FreeBSD > 4.8... Thanks for taking time to research this, Tim. > I put an additional IP on the main interface, and started apache with > Listen IP:80 for each IP. The server has mod_frontpage using apache 1.3.29. > I even tried have the BindAddress in the conf file as well. The only (potential) problem here is that I'm not running mod_frontpage, I'm running the apache13-fp port. I've got a feeling that mod_frontpage is better behaved. > Sorry, I don't have the extra time to install 1.3.31 and recompile for ya, > but I think there is something else going on there... > > Where in the conf file is your Listen directive ? I just uncommented the one from the default config file and put the correct IP in it. > What OS ? 4.9-RELEASE-p7 > Is there > anything listening on port 80 when you have apache off ? No. > Is your IP an > alias to the primary interface ? No. I only have one NIC with one IP at this time ... this is going to change soon, though ... that's why I'm trying to sort this out. > I really don't think that the frontpage module even has the ability to > change what apache binds to... Like I said, you wouldn't think so. I have a feeling the apache13_fp port somehow compiles Frontpage int Apache, or something ... > Anyways, thought I would let you know that I couldn't reproduce it... Like I said. I really appreciate you taking time to look into this. I'm going to find time to try out the mod_frontpage port to see if it's better behaved. > > Tim. > > > At 10:38 AM 6/10/2004, Bill Moran wrote: > >Tim Traver <tt-list@simplenet.com> wrote: > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > I use the latest mod_frontpage module with Apache 1.3.31... > > > > > > I haven't tested whether or not it binds to *:80 or not when I specify > > an IP. > > > > > > How are you specifying the IP in the conf file ? Are you just using Listen > > > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:80 ? > > > >Both of the following: > > > >Listen xx.xx.xx.xx:80 > >BindAddress xx.xx.xx.xx > > > >I have another server here (used for development) with a fairly vanilla Apache > >install, and changing those same two settings causes it to do what I'd expect. > > > >I can't find any directives in the Frontpage Apache config that might > >cause this > >... but I suppose it's possible that I'm missing something. > > > > > At 09:42 AM 6/10/2004, Bill Moran wrote: > > > >Tim Traver <tt-list@simplenet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > Not sure what you mean that frontpage caused apache to bind to all > > > > > IP's...it shouldn't... > > > > > > > >I agree. > > > > > > > > > The frontpage apache module should respect any of the virtual hosts or > > > > > virtual IP's that you have set up in apache. > > > > > > > >It definately should. > > > > > > > > > The module is just a way for > > > > > apache to run the fp.exe wrapper script around the frontpage binary. I > > > > > don't know how it would even be able to force apache to bind to > > anything... > > > > > > > >Nor do I. > > > > > > > > > Are you sure about that ??? > > > > > > > >Yes. When I configured Apache to only listen on 1 IP address, > > sockstat then > > > >showed it listening on that address in addition to *:80. The exact same > > > >config changes on a machine without fp installed resulted in the expected > > > >behaviour. > > > > > > > >Now, I haven't been idle since I made that first post ... It seems > > there are > > > >two frontpage ports, apache_fp and mod_frontpage. I've got apache_fp > > > >installed. > > > > > > > >Anyone using mod_frontpage that can say whether it's better or worse? > > > > > > > > > At 07:38 AM 6/10/2004, Bill Moran wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >I just learned that if you run Apache+Frontpage, you can't teach > > Apache to > > > > > >only listen on a single IP address. For some reason, Frontpage causes > > > > > >Apache to always bind to all IP addresses. Somehow, this stupidity > > > > doesn't > > > > > >really surprise me too much. > > > > > > > > > > > >The reason I wanted to do this is because I have a machine I want to > > > > > >set jails up on, so I can run multiple instances of Apache. But I > > didn't > > > > > >want to mess with the existing Apache installation right now. > > > > > > > > > > > >Anyway ... in the long run I've got two choices: > > > > > >1) Get Apache+Frontpage running in a jail so it will quit fscking up > > > > the other > > > > > > stuff I'm trying to do on this machine > > > > > >2) Find some alternative to frontpage to provide frontpage > > services that > > > > > > behaves like a proper server. > > > > > > > > > > > >My questions are (respectively): > > > > > >1) Does anyone have Apache+Frontpage successfully running in a > > > > jail? I just > > > > > > thought I'd ask before I spent (wasted?) a lot of time trying to > > > > make it > > > > > > work. > > > > > >2) Can anyone suggest an alternative to Apache+Frontpage? I prefer > > > > scp myself > > > > > > (and there are even spiffy GUI scp clients for Windows) but many > > > > of these > > > > > > clients _insist_ on using Frontpage, so I _must_ continue to > > cater to > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > >TIA for any answers. > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Bill Moran > > > > > >Potential Technologies > > > > > >http://www.potentialtech.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > > > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SimpleNet's Back ! > > > > > http://www.simplenet.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Bill Moran > > > >Potential Technologies > > > >http://www.potentialtech.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > >-- > >Bill Moran > >Potential Technologies > >http://www.potentialtech.com > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com
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