From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 16 09:35:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D26516A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D3943D5D for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:35:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-mobile@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BEWJa-0000jg-00 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:35:42 +0200 Received: from makrothumia.wingnet.net ([206.30.215.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:35:42 +0200 Received: from jesse by makrothumia.wingnet.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:35:42 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org From: Jesse Guardiani Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:35:39 -0400 Organization: WingNET Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <20040415.192805.118023980.imp@bsdimp.com> <20040416155354.1A6EA5D07@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: makrothumia.wingnet.net User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 X-Mail-Copies-To: never Sender: news Subject: Re: Centrino X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jesse@wingnet.net List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:35:44 -0000 Kevin Oberman wrote: [...] > I have been running CURRENT on my everyday use laptop (IBM T30) for well > over a year and it's been running well (except for suspend/resume > issues) for some time. But I am now so used to any quirks introduced in > CURRENT that I may no longer even notice them. So, if you run CURRENT on > your laptop as a new user, you can provide valuable input on rough > spots BEFORE V5 is declared STABLE. (Hint, hint.) I've gotten a bit frustrated with submitting bug reports on -CURRENT. I understand that the developers want to spend their time developing NEW software and features and that they don't usually want to fix bugs unless the bug effects them personally or they have a particular interest in it. I think -CURRENT has changed too much from -STABLE at this point. I think it's too unstable. I long for 5 stable because I think developers (at least some) will switch focus and begin fixing bugs again. I submitted a ton of bug reports back in Jan 2004 and Feb 2004. Most of them were ignored. I think 5-STABLE will change that. Personally, I think there are three kinds of people who run -CURRENT: 1.) Developers 2.) People who want to play with or NEED the new features. 3.) People who think they are helping the project by submitting bug reports but who can't program, or can't debug hardware/kernel problems (this is me). I think people in category #3 are getting the short end of the stick and will continue to get the short end until 5-STABLE comes out. That's not necessarilly a BAD thing. The developers certainly need to make progress. But 5-STABLE needs to come out SOON (within a few months), IMO. Otherwise I fear that people in category #3 will start going elsewhere. I'm already starting to have visions of Linux on my laptop again... And please, I understand that the developers and almost entirely made up of selfless volunteers. I respect that. I'm just voicing my personal observation about the current state of the project. -- Jesse Guardiani, Systems Administrator WingNET Internet Services, P.O. Box 2605 // Cleveland, TN 37320-2605 423-559-LINK (v) 423-559-5145 (f) http://www.wingnet.net