From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 19 23:10:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC85BF7 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ye0-f171.google.com (mail-ye0-f171.google.com [209.85.213.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6142C1635 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ye0-f171.google.com with SMTP id q14so1965320yen.2 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:10:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=KMHLop0U2oDPYhec3zyWu6s/8Ov85Zf0eLJucBFk+Lg=; b=R8VCeJw6j0/jJvBLzIFbPH97R6oVPLMSUHwCEtdGr8VJvxoHicNwH/OpskOTwKgPd3 a/AZ1xSzOawGNt5keXrL749Vs1SoQbH5YY4qfzioMLYk6etBOyWkLA8E87r0OI3OACKH S4JaVJtoUh14Nt9dDSMIBTTvVrpBQrSjtxtMwvvPEUpK2KzQnlwDVpK71whwzYeoFJw3 t4bEIO6kteobv7ffPTJoz/929z03f4ptfGRXUXqBuCj1WKN/aB4ha3zTeUzh/hu8YlYe 9ThpCxCteCIDENm0loZwL/JXLQtth6/96vkb2KKc0nZqp9SOm0/HQStdHdYJemdAigVS kmwA== X-Received: by 10.236.8.36 with SMTP id 24mr3690488yhq.115.1371683403645; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monkey-bot.int.fusionio.com ([209.117.142.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 62sm41046398yhi.10.2013.06.19.16.10.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Subject: Re: svn commit: r251886 - in head: contrib/apr contrib/apr-util contrib/serf contrib/sqlite3 contrib/subversion share/mk usr.bin usr.bin/svn usr.bin/svn/lib usr.bin/svn/lib/libapr usr.bin/svn/lib/libap... Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:10:00 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8D00BE2B-FD8E-4E7B-B818-1C4B7F6BB6A5@bsdimp.com> References: <201306180253.r5I2rj45053959@svn.freebsd.org> <11DA3D8A-AD20-4DE1-B807-D09814F61947@bsdimp.com> <51C1C7BD.9060201@FreeBSD.org> <201306191113.29703.jhb@freebsd.org> To: David Chisnall X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlRpag30/OQ7X0qDIaGhfdYQGI0KZ2DUpLC3ThGb83IUAYbZ4oLOD3i6jnB62fzrVdVvvzD Cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org, Andre Oppermann , John Baldwin , Peter Wemm , svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, Tijl Coosemans X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:10:09 -0000 On Jun 19, 2013, at 4:49 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > On 19 Jun 2013, at 16:13, John Baldwin wrote: >=20 >> portsnap does not work for src. (I thought we had already covered = that >> in earlier threads?) portsnap only moves forward. It is a very = important >> feature for our users that whatever tool they use for source updating = be >> bidirectional. In particular it is very common practice to use a = bisect >> operation to isolate changes responsible for regressions. >=20 > Freebsd-update can manage the src tree. I'm not entirely clear on = what use-case we are addressing here. Is it: >=20 > - FreeBSD developers, who are probably okay with installing a port, = but would prefer a version that didn't depend on kitchen/sink? >=20 > - Users, who wish to be able to update the source tree and then either = build world, or build some optional parts that are not part of the = default install? >=20 > - Some other category of svn consumer? >=20 > I think having a definitive statement as to the intention of svnlite = would help frame the discussion in a more productive format. How do I roll back to last week with FreeBSD-update? Warner