Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 13:13:51 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky <freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> To: Chad Jacob Milios <freebsd-list@nuos.org> Cc: FreeBSD Advocacy <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks Message-ID: <20180718131351.218e32d1.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> In-Reply-To: <79E1260F-AE10-4F26-B773-3E6A0C699022@nuos.org> References: <20180714064429.36c6bc43.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <1E035CAF-99CA-4E53-930C-53CF0018B167@nuos.org> <20180717172358.400f097d.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <79E1260F-AE10-4F26-B773-3E6A0C699022@nuos.org>
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Hi, On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:38:21 -0400 Chad Jacob Milios <freebsd-list@nuos.org> wrote: > > On Jul 17, 2018, at 5:23 AM, Erich Dollansky > > <freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> wrote: > >=20 > > you mean, the money spent on the CoC would not helped to develop > > better code by getting people willing to code for the same amount > > of money. =20 >=20 > Now I see your point. Do we know how much was spent on CoC? I get > zero hits for /(coc|conduct)/i on all pdfs linked from the body of > https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/about/financials/ > <https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/about/financials/>; only that this number is not published is fishy. >=20 > I thought i recall Deb Goodkin said that means its expenditure was > =E2=80=9Cinsignificant=E2=80=9D. I dont have a citation unfortunately but= at some > point in the last couple years i wanna say i heard numbers around > $1000 being tossed around but it sounded like conjecture to me at the > time. Am I anywhere near the mark? Did i miss something more concrete > coming out? Some smaller contributors told me to leave and two donors told me that they will stop donating. >=20 > I still don=E2=80=99t see what=E2=80=99s to get so bent out of shape abou= t. Is it > that y=E2=80=99all want more transparency, finer granularity, etc? Are co= ders > really leaving or effectively going =E2=80=9Con strike=E2=80=9D over this? >=20 Isn't this the perfect example of how transparency is avoided? >=20 > > I come from a background where we say, stop it before it takes over. > > What ever bad thing appeared in the past, appeared very smooth, very > > gentle, just like this CoC. =20 >=20 > Ok, i can hear you now. I think you=E2=80=99re saying that just about EVE= RY > horrific attrocity of human rights in the history of humankind had at > one time began with seemingly good intensions and was touted as > innocent and reasonable. You=E2=80=99re worried our CoC is pointing in the > direction of hindering innovation by stifling free speech and the > exchange of ideas. You wonder if a silent majority is simply leaving > because they recognize this with their gut intuition but are not as > vocal, opinionated or invested as those spearheading the controversy. > (?) >=20 The future will tell. > Am i close? I have hardly taken in very much of this saga. I=E2=80=99ve > mostly tried to ignore it and not let it distract me from my work or > my participation in The Project. >=20 > May I politely ask your background, out of curiosity? Is it that > you=E2=80=99re German or Jewish? Would that be a fair question or an > inappropriate presumption? I think i can also feel a bit of what > you=E2=80=99re saying now, that i=E2=80=99m not quite sure if i=E2=80=99m= running afoul of > the CoC in asking that question and now my anxiety says i should just > shut up and leave. >=20 You are right. I have a German passport. >=20 > > The Nineties are over, yes, but is civilisation also over? =20 >=20 > I don=E2=80=99t think civilization was ever at risk of ending. Lawd, i ho= pe > this isn=E2=80=99t the end of civility in the FreeBSD project. This is why I think that the old CoC was perfect for this cind of project. >=20 > Maybe I=E2=80=99m being melodramatic but this brings to mind something i = read > once along the lines of: A peace maintained by force or restriction > cannot be sustained and will eventually explode violently or crumble > chaotically. Or: Without freedom there can be no liberty. Without > liberty there can be no justice. Without justice there can be no > lasting peace. >=20 Yes! >=20 > > Of course, people can work on FreeBSD with the new CoC. But do they > > have to work? =20 >=20 > I=E2=80=99m sorry, i don=E2=80=99t think i caught your meaning here. It is just as written. Erich
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