From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 16 17:48:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B276216A4B3 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fubar.adept.org (fubar.adept.org [63.147.172.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED3F43F85 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:48:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by fubar.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 132991524D; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fubar.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123A81524B for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:48:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030916173857.X88574@fubar.adept.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: FreeBSD Revamped Look 'n' feel: Feedback appreciated! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:48:50 -0000 On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Benjamin Polidore wrote: > Yet again, this list is out of control. go figure. ;) > I think the argument most people are trying to make is that FreeBSD needs a > more MODERN site, not a more "professional" site whatever that means. cool... i'm not opposed, and i'm sure no one (including the people with the power to make it actually happen) would be if it was done well. to the original poster -- it's not good to state your case by belittling the current site while failing to provide anything better. i'm not saying you can't be creative, i didn't say a new site couldn't be well implemented, and i wouldn't be opposed to the .org/.com split if that's really decided to be for the best. however, expect criticism if you suggest replacing something and can't seem to do better. my original point still holds... even if we go the split .com/.org direction, it would be nice if someone got (friends, coworkers, etc.) volunteers with real web experience to do the work. we have a web team now, but the last time i communicated with members of the team (quite awhile now), everyone was overworked and underpaid. if someone out there could get some volunteer time donated to the project, that'd probably go a long way... and i mean real web designers that are willing and able to look at the current site, see how things are done, understand why, etc. and suggest/implement/maintain improvements. > The format of the site hasn't changed in YEARS, and in this time, there have > been many advances in web technology. In order to represent FreeBSD as a > modern operating system, its web site should make use of at least some of > these technologies. Of course the site shouldn't be gaudy or glib; it > should be modern looking and appealing to first time visitors while > maintaining its practicality to regular users. as others have pointed out, the RH example was quite bad. despite looking "modern" their site is pretty useless. the reason some people objected so loudly (self certainly included), was that the original post seemed to hold RH's site in high esteem... ick. > To the purists, I would say that a modern site can actually be MORE > efficient; that is the purpose of PHP and the like. Things like collapsible > menus and other dynamic content can make browsing a site a lot easier if > done well. no question. > FreeBSD needs a new look. maybe. majority rules. -mrh -- From: "Spam Catcher" To: spam-catcher@adept.org Do NOT send email to the address listed above or you will be added to a blacklist!