From owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org Thu Aug 13 16:12:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-virtualization@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B47337DA9F for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:12:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Received: from mail.punkt.de (mail.punkt.de [217.29.41.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BSBRV5JZsz4Sr2 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Received: from [217.29.46.67] (kagate.punkt.de [217.29.33.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.punkt.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B2EDA2861D; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:12:13 +0200 (CEST) From: "Patrick M. Hausen" Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_57F83AF7-1E22-4EF7-9B3E-BAC539932DA7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Subject: Re: FreeBSD a server and bhyve Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:12:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org To: Mario Lobo References: <1c1e71ea-9f4f-b4a6-c6bb-f7cd201c0182@gmx.at> <0acc82ba-4779-f006-7ece-a003d0d0759c@nomadlogic.org> <036260EA-C5A3-411E-8FF0-271BE267E14B@punkt.de> <427EACB7-D930-4FBD-AD7E-96AD3AC73D30@punkt.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BSBRV5JZsz4Sr2 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hausen@punkt.de designates 217.29.41.227 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hausen@punkt.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.11 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.29.32.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[punkt.de]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.010]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.18)[-0.178]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.023]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16188, ipnet:217.29.32.0/20, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of various virtualization techniques FreeBSD supports." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:12:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_57F83AF7-1E22-4EF7-9B3E-BAC539932DA7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Mario, > Are you still using freeNAS or have you switched to TrueNAS? They are one and the same product. Version 11.3 is named FreeNAS Version 12.0 is named TrueNAS Core TrueNAS Core is currently in beta testing. I use it at home but have not yet updated our company production systems. I will as soon as there is an official release. > Do you favor the switch or stick with FreeNAS? As I said, there is no switch. > Are they both ZFS only? Yes, of course. They are the same thing. > I haven't used either of them but I want to experiment with it. If you are just starting, IMHO don=E2=80=99t shy away from the beta = version. I run it in power-user/semi-professional production: file sharing, 5 VMs, 6 jails, most with Internet facing applications, simply great. The main advantage is that FreeNAS <=3D11.3 has always had issues when FreeBSD versions reached their EOL due to the development model. FN 11.3 is based on FreeBSD RELENG_11_3. As soon as that reaches end of support, so will parts of FN 11.3. While iXsystems will still publish patches, you will e.g. have a hard time to install packages inside of FreeBSD 11.3 jails. FreeBSD 11.4 jails OTOH are not guaranteed to run on the older kernel. Our experience has been that they do run OK but things like =E2=80=9Eps=E2=80=9C or =E2=80=9Enetstat=E2=80=9C might = not work properly inside the newer jail on the old kernel. TN Core 12.0 despite the =E2=80=9E12.0=E2=80=9C tracks FreeBSD = RELENG_12. So it will continue to get updates of FreeBSD unless the complete 12.x branch will reach its EOL. So TN Core 12.0 is on FreeBSD 12.1, currently and will be on 12.2, eventually. If you run web facing applications in jails = you get TLS 1.3 - yay! :-) Confusing? Not so much if you are familiar with the FreeBSD development and release model. I appreciate the move to RELENG_X instead of = RELENG_X_Y. Very much so. HTH, Patrick -- punkt.de GmbH Patrick M. 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