From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 22 15:34:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAF716A4E5 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:34:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DDF43D53 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:33:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so1216935nfc for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:33:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Kd38JL2b7gxyVWCL2mPoGx/iPWKd2vot3Oc7fvnvkRUmE5R3GfYxGsWbWTOdbYxRMnPnTd7HCwPohLQ6ykh7XPn7KTVbM0i61/EgbAtIpDpZPdlppuEoOiNPt8D/XOyRy3J9iLLDSQkhm6R6FFffiHxbZG0+LxeinU0kHRUEpFg= Received: by 10.49.7.3 with SMTP id k3mr1606815nfi; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.12.20 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:33:57 +0100 From: Freminlins To: "sammy sumer" In-Reply-To: <8f0d62060607220403j599c1131xfcfb38e6b18c7c6c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8f0d62060607220403j599c1131xfcfb38e6b18c7c6c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What FreeBSD users really want X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:34:00 -0000 On 22/07/06, sammy sumer wrote: > > To Whom It May Concern: > > 1. Reinvent the installer and interface. > > Fundamental thing like system installer is still phenomenally arcane. > There > is no excuse for FreeBSD developers not to upgrade the system installer > and > why not using disk imaging technology like Norton ghost or Acronis > TrueImageinstead of the traditional installation. One thing I would say is that FreeBSD installs a complete operating system far faster than any other OS out there. This does matter to some people, though not everyone. A few years ago I was new to FreeBSD (and UNIX/Linux in general) and I went through the installation. The only thing that caught me out was adding a user (me) but not putting myself in the wheel group. After the installation completed I removed the monitor and plugged it back into my usual desktop machine. I could SSH in but not su. It really was the only thing that caught me out. 2. Integrate a PHP shell into the core of the system. > > PHP is by far the most popular computing language in the world. Why not > have a shell called PHP shell. So lots of web developers out there can > easily create shell scripts in PHP syntax to automate and run programs on > FreeBSD. > > Who wants to learn bash or sh scripting? They are by far the least popular > and ugly programming language in the world. > > It is astounding that FreeBSD developers have not clued in to the fact > that > millions of backend webmasters could easily migrate and adopt FreeBSD as > their O.S of their choice because of PHP Would that be PHP and all its associated modules from the base install? That's big, and for many people unnecessary. Why would I need it for my (10) mail servers. It wouldn't serve any purpose. Also PHP "syntax" is not consistent. Take a look here: http://tnx.nl/php. sh scripting is a low level "standard" across other Unices. The only thing I wish I had learned so much sooner was "set autolist" in my .cshrc. I didn't know it was there, and I have no idea why it is not in the default dot.cshrc file. No doubt good reasons, but I "got by" for months before I found this out. All that time I was going "bash can do it, why can't csh?" Sammy Sumer > Frem.