From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 15 16:54:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D876F47F for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2014 16:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 987C3CCD for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2014 16:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-67-138.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.67.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB24A3CB54; Sat, 15 Mar 2014 17:54:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s2FGrgAF004051; Sat, 15 Mar 2014 17:53:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 17:53:42 +0100 From: Polytropon To: kpneal@pobox.com Subject: Re: Message-Id: <20140315175342.23ad4ac7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20140315164618.GA28642@neutralgood.org> References: <1394862552.77754.YahooMailBasic@web125805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <53240450.8070308@FreeBSD.org> <20140315170858.d48c39ec2eb4a193e21917c4@rocketmail.com> <20140315165458.1b2a9ae6@fabiankeil.de> <1394900997.3587.176.camel@archlinux> <20140315164618.GA28642@neutralgood.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: m.fujimoto@rocketmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 16:54:08 -0000 On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 12:46:18 -0400, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 05:29:57PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sat, 2014-03-15 at 16:54 +0100, Fabian Keil wrote: > > > Masayoshi Fujimoto wrote: > > >=20 > > > > Even personal use, I need permission? > > >=20 > > > Legally it depends on the country you live in. > > >=20 > > > In many (most?) countries you do not need the FreeBSD foundation's > > > permission to use the logo on a T-shirt for personal use. > >=20 > > In German we have a saying for legal gray areas: "Wo kein Kl=E4ger, da > > kein Richter!" I didn't find a translation for this idiom. >=20 > I know about as much German as any other single-language native English > speaker. But there is the more general English expression "Better safe > than sorry." It doesn't really translate to the above statement, which can be sloppily translated as "[where] no plaintiff,=20 [there] no judge" and basically means as long as nobody will complain, no decision (for example by a court) will be made. > My point is that if you are a fan of FreeBSD then it will be good for the > project to work with the relevant people regarding FreeBSD's trademarks. > Please avoid putting the project in a position where it will end up looki= ng > bad. I'd say the intention shown in the initial question is very positive and should probably find support by the responsible persons from The FreeBSD Foundation. But as you said: Knowing the _local_ law in this case won't hurt. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...