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Date:      Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:13:33 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Dennis Glatting <dg@pki2.com>
To:        kmenzel@whisolutions.com
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD 9.1-RC1 Available...
Message-ID:  <alpine.BSF.2.00.1208230903210.92471@btw.pki2.com>
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2012, Ken Menzel wrote:

> On 8/23/2012 9:47 AM, Ken Smith wrote:
>> On Thu, 2012-08-23 at 23:12 +1000, Ian Smith wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:50:46 -0400, Ken Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> > With both the doc and ports repositories now moved to SVN it has been
>>> > decided to not export the 9.1 release branch activity to CVS.  So
>>> > csup/cvsup update mechanisms are not available for updating to 9.1-RC1.
>>> > If you would like to use SVN the branch to use is releng/9.1.
>>>
>>> Assuming the stupid question is the one you didn't ask, just to clarify:
>>> does this mean that c*sup won't work with these RCs in particular, or
>>> that CVS is dead and SVN becomes mandatory from 9.1-RELEASE?
>>>
>>> cheers, Ian
>>>
>>
>> The latter.  If you are not using FreeBSD-Update to handle the updates
>> of a machine you'll need to update your source tree using SVN for
>> release branches (releng/*) from now on.  Updates of the CVS repository
>> will continue for the existing stable/* and head for now.  I don't think
>> anything has been decided on when that will stop.
>>
> I missed this announcement as well.
>
> Should we all use the primary URL or is there a list of mirrors?
>
> Is anyone going to be updating the Handbook to reflect this?
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/synching.html
>
> However I can see this does not even reflect the more recent use of csup
> instead of cvsup.
>
> I found two good primers:
> http://mebsd.com/configure-freebsd-servers/update-freebsd-source-tree-using-subversion-svn.html
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/committers-guide/article.html#SUBVERSION-PRIMER
>
> The second primer in the committer handbook seems to indicate that it is
> difficult to run an SVN mirror. This appears to me to be the biggest
> drawback.  I have been using CVS and perforce for years,  but subversion
> is new to me.
>

Thanks.

I have several cases where I cannot have machines going to the Internet to 
update for various reasons, including WAN loading and policies, but I can 
have them hit local mirrors. I have three sites:

#1, Static with less than ten servers. Strong maintenance policies.
#2, Mostly static with twenty servers, virtual instances,
     laptops, and sticks. Loose maintenance policies
#3, Largely dynamic but three servers and instances are static.
     Regulated environment with associated maintenance policies.

If CVS is fading then I need to move my CVS mirrors to SVN mirrors.





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