From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 30 13:17:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA19167 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA19131 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11584 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Sep 1997 20:17:37 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha-092597 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: adrian@virginia.edu Subject: RE: Good Lord, Commercial Linux Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, "Jamil J. Weatherbee" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin"; On 30-Sep-97 you wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > > c. BSD came from Berkeley, it is a hack. Linux is systemV like. It > > has a > > heritage of Large Company. Caldera was founded by Mr. Noorda, he > > is > > Ahem! Linux has no such "heritage". That's why it too is free. > The linux crowd just whent the SYSV like API. Designing a car that > looks > like a volkswagen bug, invokes the image of volkswagen the company and > alows you to buy third party parts, but nothing of the orignal is inate > to > the the copy, quality, stability, history, etc. > > As to BSD being a 'hack', I think you do it disservice. Berkeley > has produced a lot of top notch software. How much of what we call the > internet is just Berkely derived software: tcp/ip, sockets, sendmail, > etc. You obviously missed part of my message. I put a (what I thought was) a clear disclaimer at the bottom. This is not how I think and feel. This is how things, in corporate circles are precived many times. Were I to think this way, I would not have chosen FreeBSD as a platform for a critical and HUGE project. Besides, were it not for the BSD project, SystemV will still be swapping, rather than paging, using uucp and ISO instead of TCP/IP, etc. It is healthy, at times, to see how the other side is thinking. BTW, I would not necessarily put sendmail as one of the jewels in Berkeley crowns :-) and you forgot the Ingres-Postgres project. One of the more impressive, and ORIGINAL developments at Berkeley. Also, you ommited vi :-) --- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.799.2313