From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 13 18:00:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B21BA5E; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:00:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "troutmask", Issuer "troutmask" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DEFFA5E; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:00:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5DI0KhG001384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id t5DI0KiT001383; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:00:20 -0700 From: Steve Kargl To: Julian Elischer Cc: David Chisnall , Ian Lepore , Alexander Kabaev , Marcel Moolenaar , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r284198 - head/bin/ls Message-ID: <20150613180020.GA1303@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <201506100127.t5A1RdX6051959@svn.freebsd.org> <20150612204309.11dd3391@kan> <20150613024916.GA98218@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> <557C661F.8080104@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <557C661F.8080104@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:00:22 -0000 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 01:19:27AM +0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 6/13/15 11:38 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > > On 13 Jun 2015, at 11:17, Ian Lepore wrote: > >> If you would have told me a year ago that you had a simple scheme that > >> could make 30 years of experience maintaining code for unix-like systems > >> completely worthless I would have been skeptical, but it seems we're > >> well on our way. > > There is a lot of heckling and unhelpful hyperbole in this thread. Reading the xo_emit format strings takes a little bit of getting used to, but the same is true of printf - it???s just that we???re already used to printf. The structured parts (xo_open_container, xo_close_container and friends) are clear and descriptive. The changes are fairly invasive, but the benefits are also very large for anyone who is wanting to automate administration of FreeBSD systems. > > > > If you have suggestions for how the libxo APIs could be improved, then please let us know - Phil is very reception to suggestions but objections along the lines of ???it???s not what I???m used to and changes sometimes break things so we should never have changes??? are not helpful. > > > > David > > > I made a suggestion for an alternate path in the previous thread. > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2015-March/054855.html > > but I have a job and kids so I can't object if I'm not listened to.. > (no time to actually follow my own advice and produce working code.) > I also pointed out the bloat https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2015-March/054917.html and the poor documentation https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2015-March/054899.html -- Steve