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Date:      Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:10:47 +0100
From:      "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com>
To:        "FreeBSD Advocacy" <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD on the desktop (was: TheRegister article on Hotmail)
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Terry writes:

> You're wrong.  That's not how Outlook interprets
> "Reply to Sender" ...

I wasn't talking about Outlook; I was talking about the meanings of the
headers in the message.

> ... it interprets it as "Reply to the address(es)
> in the `Reply-To:' header, if there is one, otherwise
> reply to the address in the `From:' header".

That's exactly what it should do.

> If you need me to post the relevent portion of
> the Outlook Express version 6 Help file for you
> because you are unable to click on the
> "Help" button yourself, I can oblige you.

I don't use the help files, but thanks, anyway.

> Why?

Because the sender is one of the "all" to which the "Reply all" is sent.

> So that if the sender is not a subscriber to
> the list, they don't se your response to their
> message?

If they were not subscribers to the list, they would not have seen the
message to which they are replying, and to which I am responding in turn.

> It is the job of the receiving system to
> perform duplicate suppression.

I guess my FreeBSD UNIX receiving system doesn't do its job, then.

> If it's not (it usually is not, for a myriad of
> very good reasons), then it's the job of your
> mail client and your mail client's filters to
> deal with it.

If I am separately addressed and addressed as part of a mailing list, I
_expect_ to receive two copies of the message.  The problem is with the
sender specifying both me and the mailing list as recipients; I imagine many
senders are using "Reply all" or its equivalent.

> Why do you have to do that?  THe "To:" or "Cc:"
> field contains the list name.

No, it contains the address of the sender of the post to which I'm replying.
The headers do not specify a "Reply-To:" address, and the "From:" field is
filled with the address of the person who posted the message.  Thus, when I
reply, the To: field is filled with the address of the poster, not the
address of the list.  The error is not in the mail client, it is in the
mailing list software.

> I guess you need to spring for the full version
> of Outlook to do that: cost of using a feature-poor
> mail client.

I'm not aware of any "full version" of Outlook.

In any case, I should not wish to change the priority of headers in
determining how the reply address is obtained.  The current behavior
conforms to the RFCs, and that's fine with me.

> You should probably point that out to the person
> whose private email you sent to the list, in case
> they are not a list subscriber and didn't see this
> message, and appologize.

This is a discussion forum, not an exchange of love letters.


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