From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 8 18:32:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD7A1065679 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:32:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700DD8FC21 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:32:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0A119237; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:52:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.5 Received: from tau.draftnet (unknown [66.45.161.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:52:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:52:04 -0800 From: Bruce Cran To: gary.jennejohn@freenet.de Message-ID: <20081108065204.14175933@tau.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <20081108145421.5c47c31c@ernst.jennejohn.org> References: <0E1DCF36-07A1-4A7F-8784-477709445C26@telenix.org> <20081108145421.5c47c31c@ernst.jennejohn.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Chuck Robey Subject: Re: new X11 project X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:32:15 -0000 On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:54:21 +0100 Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:52:43 -0500 > Chuck Robey wrote: > > > [This is my first time running this mail composing tool, tell me > > if it's doing something evil I don't see, ok?] > > > > I just got pointed at a URL, if you haven't, it's most likely > > worth your time to read this; > > > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=xorg_wayland&num=1 > > > > I only briefly looked at this, but it seems like they want to pull > ever more of the functionality of the X-server into the kernel. > > This is definitely the wrong approach and smacks of Microsoft type > thinking to me. > > Simplifying user-land at the cost of greatly complicating the kernel > is a giant step backwards. > I'm not sure if it's the same idea, but I read an interview with Keith Packard a few months ago where he was saying that X.org plans on moving more functionality into the kernel too: in particular apparently there's lots of code in userland which replicates the PCI access code from the kernel. They're moving that stuff into the kernel and removing the duplication. He made a point of saying that the kernel interface is being made generic so any OS will be able to implement it. -- Bruce Cran -- Bruce Cran