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> Think of DCD as indicating that a "connection is established" with the
> other side. The ttyd device is _supposed_ to block until a remote
> connection is established. If you can't provide a DCD signal, then
> just use "cuad" instead of "ttyd":
> 
> The intention is that's for making outgoing calls you use cuad, so a
> getty waiting to open ttyd won't stop the open on cuad. In your case,
> it's probably ok for the getty to just hog the modem itself, so using 
> /dev/cuad0 sounds like the right thing to do.

it's the getty that is the problem.  this is out of band access to
the console, i.e. getty.

randy