From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 08:50:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3711637B407 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from users.munk.nu (213-152-51-194.dsl.eclipse.net.uk [213.152.51.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800E043FA3 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:50:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: from users.munk.nu (munk@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.munk.nu (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3EFquJ0004534 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:52:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: (from munk@localhost) by users.munk.nu (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h3EFquwO004533 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:52:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:52:56 +0100 From: Jez Hancock To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030414155256.GA1608@users.munk.nu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20030412141313.GB58220@wjv.com> <20030412153736.GA53356@users.munk.nu> <20030412184738.GA52650@wjv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030412184738.GA52650@wjv.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Serial line fbsd installation with no CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:50:43 -0000 Hi again Bill, On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 02:47:39PM -0400, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > The problem was with ipfw2 and in general it's just the fact > > this is currently not a production server and we'd rather have > > a fresh install of 4.8 (the NOC currently installs 4.6.2 for > > some reason and it might become the case that they'll start > > installing 4.8 by default when they answer us - negating the > > need for a solution to the subject question:). > > Ah - so it's a company that does more than just put the server in > place and does install too. I'm not used to that as about the only > help I'd get in the colo is a 'helping hands' if needed - but I'm > only 1/2 hour away. It's basically a top-tier tranport provider > who provides facilities for anyting you'd want - but is not > a colo of the 'we provide everything you need'. > > We have our own racks and do all our own work - the only thing the > NOC does is give us connectivity. Different perception on my part. > > If I have a problem one of us [small company] goes and changes the > machines ourselves, or accompanies one our clients while they > change their own machine. Security is strict so we have to arrange > for anyone else to get into the building. To be honest I feel that this is synonymous to the setup of our NOC. I'm actually only a 'coadmin' - in the sense that I do not talk to the network op centre, my 'admin' 'boss' does (lots of 's). It's incredibly frustrating that the cost of colocation in the UK (where I am) and in AUS (where my friend is) is so high and as such we have to colocate in US where bandwidth is much more reasonably priced. > > My plan was to install a stock 4.8 system and immediately cvsup > > to STABLE. Perhaps as you mention it would be better to stay > > with 4.7-RELEASE until 4.8 is out of it's infancy. > > I run stable on my personal machine and a backup machine but never > going beyond a patch-level release for production units. Yes this tip is appreciated and as such we will probably track 4.7-RELEASE on the production and 4.8-STABLE on the dev servers. > > Hopefully the NOC support will get moving on providing at least a 4.7 > > CD for installation. > > With our totally local appoach we've pullled a couple of systems > from 'national' providers who just didn't understand small custom > individual attention. I think we might actually qualify as one > of the smallest ISPs in existance :-) We're small but we've seen > others in the same facility disappear. :) > But having machine with connections not less that 100Mbs running > for a few hundred feet before it gets onto a global 10Gbs backbone > does have it's advantages. Yikes that's some pipe. Still waiting for news on the availability of 4.7-RELEASE CDs in the NOC, I can well see me mailing a disk off to them :) Thanks again, Jez