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Date:      Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:54:56 -0700
From:      "Kenneth D. Merry" <ken@kdm.org>
To:        Gerard Roudier <groudier@club-internet.fr>
Cc:        Wilko Bulte <wilko@yedi.iaf.nl>, George Morgan <gemorga2@vt.edu>, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Rescan for Devices...
Message-ID:  <20000208125456.A32007@panzer.kdm.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000208204507.367A-100000@localhost>; from groudier@club-internet.fr on Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 09:17:21PM %2B0100
References:  <20000207143833.A24212@panzer.kdm.org> <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000208204507.367A-100000@localhost>

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On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 21:17:21 +0100, Gerard Roudier wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Kenneth D. Merry wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 22:55:33 +0100, Gerard Roudier wrote:
> > > Not really for me, may-be since I donnot want to rescan the bus, but to
> > > just scan the bus for devices that haven't been seen by CAM at boot for
> > > some reason. 
> > > 
> > > First attempt after having switched the box on and booted for the first
> > > time:
> > > 
> > > <Quantum XP32150W L912>            at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (da3,pass4)
> > > <QUANTUM XP32275W LXY4>            at scbus1 target 1 lun 0 (da2,pass3)
> > > <IBM DDRS-34560W S71D>             at scbus1 target 4 lun 0 (da5,pass6)
> > > <QUANTUM XP32275W LXY4>            at scbus1 target 5 lun 0 (da4,pass5)
> > > 
> > > Second attempt after having rebooted the machine:
> > > 
> > > <Quantum XP32150W L912>            at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (da4,pass5)
> > > <QUANTUM XP32275W LXY4>            at scbus1 target 1 lun 0 (da3,pass4)
> > > <IBM DDRS-34560W S71D>             at scbus1 target 4 lun 0 (da2,pass3)
> > > <QUANTUM XP32275W LXY4>            at scbus1 target 5 lun 0 (da5,pass6)
> > > 
> > > Problem is that the order of da# devices after first boot + scanbus 1 is
> > > different from order after second boot + scanbus 1. 
> > 
> > Which devices appear during the boot, and which ones appear after the
> > rescan?  It seems rather odd to me that your disks aren't showing up at
> > boot.  Are they not powered on or something?
> 
> I wrote `for some reason'. The main reason is due to driver testings and I
> may want to move BUSES among controllers for any other reason and still
> want to be able to boot by system without too much complexity. I also may
> want not to switch some devices on for the first boot, and so on ... 

Ahh.

> In my opinion, It is minimal convenience for a SCSI BUS scan to ensure
> deterministic device ordering.

I agree.

> > If you want things to turn up in the same place every time, I would suggest
> > hardwiring your disk device numbers to a specific bus/target/lun.
> 
> This does not suit at all, since I may elect to move several BUSes.
> 
> Under Linux, the PCI device scan is performed by low-level drivers and the
> drivers I maintain get the boot order from the NVRAM of a controller. I
> just have to change the boot order from NVRAM and everything gets
> transparent (I mean: all BUSES being numbered as I want them to be). 
> Under FreeBSD, this is not easily possible since the PCI devices scan is
> performed by a central resource. I have had to find another solution that
> consists in returning DEV_NOT_THERE to CAM for scsi devices that are
> flagged as NO SCAN AT BOOT in the NVRAM and to rescan some BUSES after
> boot. Note that doing a scan LUN per device solves the problem of scan BUS
> giving undeterministic device ordering, but it requires dozen of manual
> operations instead of just changing a couple of informations from the SDMS
> setup and a couple of camcontrol rescan #BUS commands after boot.

As I said in my mail (sent after this one), the behavior you've seen is a
bug, and is on Justin's list of things to fix.

Ideally, when you rescan a bus, things should be attached in ascending
order, just as on boot.

Ken
-- 
Kenneth Merry
ken@kdm.org


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