From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Apr 12 07:23:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9942B530C for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:23:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tsoome@me.com) Received: from pv50p00im-ztbu10021601.me.com (pv50p00im-ztbu10021601.me.com [17.58.6.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490NXZ6hfxz3GPV for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:23:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tsoome@me.com) Received: from [10.247.0.202] (unknown [91.209.240.229]) by pv50p00im-ztbu10021601.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5500F6E03EC; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:23:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Toomas Soome Message-Id: <6BDCC642-4CE1-4F61-988B-EE81B311732B@me.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: Why is the console a graphic/bitmapped console, and not text/character by default Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:23:53 +0300 In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-current To: "bsd-lists@bsdforge.com" References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-04-12_02:2020-04-11, 2020-04-12 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=2 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2004120068 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 490NXZ6hfxz3GPV X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:17.58.0.0/16]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[me.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[me.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[me.com,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-5.68), ipnet: 17.58.0.0/20(-2.08), asn: 714(-2.45), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[57.6.58.17.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:714, ipnet:17.58.0.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[me.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[me.com:s=1a1hai]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[me.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:23:59 -0000 > On 12. Apr 2020, at 08:34, Chris wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:04:43 +0300 Toomas Soome tsoome@me.com = said >=20 >> You have UEFI setup? With UEFI, there is no text mode. >> If mouse copy/paste is working is not a property of screen mode but = it if the >> console driver does implement it or not. >> Sent from my iPhone >> > On 12. Apr 2020, at 07:41, Chris wrote: >> > > =EF=BB=BFSorry for the ling title. But wasn't sure how make my >> > question more concise. >> > Why did we begin making an initial console "graphics mode" >> > by default. My understanding has always been that (Free)BSD >> > has been a "Server by default", and a Desktop after an initial >> > install if that's one chosen target. >> > It's near impossible to perform initial configuration >> > in graphics mode, using a mouse to cut/copy/paste does *not* >> > work as intended. Which requires one to make the necessary >> > changes "breaking to the new system" after install completes >> > to change initiation to test-mode before bouncing the box. >> > While this "works" for long-time users. It's an *extra*, and >> > seemingly *unnecessary* step. It is also likely to behoove >> > first-time/new users -- except those already targeting a >> > Desktop. >> > > Thanks for any insight into this! :) >> > > --Chris >> > >=20 > With (U)EFI firmware, you're in graphics until the kernel takes over. > Where you can switch/change/obtain text/character mode. >=20 > I'm not we're talking about the same thing here. >=20 UEFI systems *may* provide VGA bios for gfx, but thats not granted, and = if not you have no =E2=80=9Ctext=E2=80=9D mde at all. In virtual = environment it is possible you do not get even framebuffer mapped = memory. rgds, toomas=