From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 17 13:39:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17004 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:39:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16996; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:38:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199807172038.NAA16996@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Dropped of the lists, *AGAIN* In-Reply-To: <199807172003.NAA19039@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "Jul 17, 98 01:03:24 pm" To: sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > Once again, I have been summarily removed from a variety of lists, without > notification. > > This is the last time i will make any effort to get back on. If > the person or people who run the mailing lists can't be bothered to > not remove people who want to be on th elists, I give up. > > This is the third time I've been removed from some lists. And I am > fed up with it. > around july 8th, there was a massive fiber cut between philly and dc. when service was restored, hub was flooded with email that had stacked up trying to reach it. each email created many more as the lists were exploded. hub was not up to the task and a number of subscriber files seem to have been affected. since then, hub has gotten another 128MB of memory (thanks mike! no more swapping) about a dozen people were affected. as a precaution, the admin passwords for all the lists were changed. in the past you have bounced mail. anyone that bounces more than 20 messages in a 24 hour period may be removed from the lists. i dont send them email saying "your being removed because you're bouncing mail" because they are bouncing mail ;) "can't be bothered to not remove people who want to be on the lists"? i hope everyone who subscribes wants to be on the lists. should i leave people that bounce mail on the lists? to what end? for how long? mail will not for at least 3 days. so if a site will not accept mail for 3 days. they may be removed. i believe that this is a reasonable course of action. UNLESS...the site loses its DNS. then the mail will bounce immediately. both of these problem can be remedied thru diversely connected MX and NS servers. in you case the MX servers, kithrup.com and data.pa.vix.com, are diversely connected. Unfortunately, your NS servers are not. you have only two NS records, both at scruz.net. scruz.net is served, according to my current version of the BGP-4 table, by uu.net. uu.net does suffer outages, just like the rest of us. this is why my employer has two isp's which are diversely connected: uu.net and crl.com. the implication is that in the past you may have suffered lose of NS service....and immediate mail bounce. that will get you unsubscribed pretty quickly if you are on a high volume list or it happens during a high volume spurt on a normally quiet list. i am sorry for the loss of service that you and others suffered as a result of the events on or about july 8th. though it is small consolation, all mail messages are archived on ftp.freebsd.org in /pub/FreeBSD/mailing-lists/archive. all mail since the second week of december 1994 is there. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message