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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 65182b432b0b1b5d1954ca92651b37de; Sun, 01 Oct 2023 22:41:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.100.2.1.4\)) Subject: RE: uname -KU 1500001 1500000 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2023 15:41:10 -0700 To: Graham Perrin , Current FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.100.2.1.4) References: X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.88 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.38)[-0.379]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.31:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.31:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RzJwV5rrbz4gm1 From: Graham Perrin wrote on Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2023 19:28:36 UTC : > User environment (1500000) inferior to kernel (1500001). > > Is this type of discrepancy ever normal/acceptable? That indicates that __FreeBSD_version was 1500000 when the uname that was run was built but the running kernel was built when __FreeBSD_version was 1500001 . (Presumes a lack of use of OSVERSION to override the getosreldate result for the kernel case.) What does "file /usr/bin/uname" report? Which does it list for: FreeBSD 15.0 (1500000) vs. FreeBSD 15.0 (1500001) ? I did not see evidence about: sys/sys/param.h:#define __FreeBSD_version 1500000 vs. sys/sys/param.h:#define __FreeBSD_version 1500001 at the various build stages in your later material. So I presume the 1500001 change was always present, even at the start of the builds. But, I saw no evidence of the commands used to do the builds. Such can control some of the rebuilt vs. not status, even with the 1500001 change being present. For example: A) From scratch builds (empty build tree at the start of the build) vs. B) META_MODE builds (that check for sys/sys/param.h having been updated) vs. C) NOCLEAN builds (without META_MODE) (A)/(B) should have lead to uname being rebuilt just based on the sys/sys/param.h change. But (C) likely has no tracking of uname being dependent on sys/sys/param.h for make to cause a rebuild. (The FreeBSD Makefiles do not list all the source code dependencies on other source code files.) There may be more alternatives that I've not covered. === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com