From owner-freebsd-geom@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 8 14:15:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-geom@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8772106566C; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 14:15:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EE58FC1C; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 14:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C0E1FFC22; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 14:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 51E5F844C6; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 16:15:27 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Alexander Leidinger References: <55861270658151@web135.yandex.ru> <4BBD68DB.7050600@yandex.ru> <201004080727.21020.bruce@cran.org.uk> <4BBD7CDC.2070505@yandex.ru> <20100408103809.13496s9i6ny03ocg@webmail.leidinger.net> <867hoi8gbl.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20100408121500.13995d1eu7b9bt0k@webmail.leidinger.net> <86fx36up9e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20100408155309.42884l21ogy7m7sw@webmail.leidinger.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:15:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20100408155309.42884l21ogy7m7sw@webmail.leidinger.net> (Alexander Leidinger's message of "Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:53:09 +0200") Message-ID: <86vdc2t4hs.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-geom@FreeBSD.ORG, Teske , Randi Harper , "Andrey V. Elsukov" , Devin@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] Rewriting sade(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GEOM-specific discussions and implementations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:15:28 -0000 Alexander Leidinger writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > There have been at least three or four attempts to do this in the > > past. One of them was even fully funded by the FreeBSD Foundation. > > They all failed. > I was told a lot of people tried to make the WITH_CTF part working > without the need to use -DWITH_CTF each time at the command line and > failed. Nevertless I did it. So telling something is not possible > because other people tried and failed is ridiculous. It's not ridiculous, it's experience. *Painful* experience over a period of nearly 15 years. > BTW: I do not think you talk about a partition editor, but about the > complete sysinstall. Yes and no. I'm talking about making the user interface pluggable, i.e. run the same program (whether sysinstall or sade) with, say, an ncurses interface on the console and a gtk interface in X. Debian's package system does this, to a certain extent, but only for very simple configuration questions - about the same level of functionality that you get with an HTML form. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no