From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 26 03:08:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A3E6DE; Sun, 26 May 2013 03:08:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4291078F; Sun, 26 May 2013 03:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4Q37v2N027666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 25 May 2013 22:07:57 -0500 Received: from LTCFISWMSGMB26.FNFIS.com ([10.132.99.18]) by LTCFISWMSGHT04.FNFIS.com ([10.132.206.15]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Sat, 25 May 2013 22:08:25 -0500 From: "Teske, Devin" To: Bruce Cran Subject: Re: FreeBSD installers and future direction Thread-Topic: FreeBSD installers and future direction Thread-Index: AQHOWV60z6k72swSkkmGANUzy/EMLJkWZ1wAgAAkfQCAAJGrAA== Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 03:07:56 +0000 Message-ID: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F5B0FB@ltcfiswmsgmb26> References: <51A0DC3F.9030301@cran.org.uk> <51A1025A.2020607@cran.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <51A1025A.2020607@cran.org.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.132.253.126] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-25_07:2013-05-24,2013-05-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , Devin Teske X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 03:08:04 -0000 On May 25, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Bruce Cran wrote: > On 25/05/2013 17:15, Matt Olander wrote: >> From my vague recollection, we discussed improving bsdinstall by tying >> it in with pc-sysinstall, which we've been threatening to do for at >> least a year. Also, there was much discussion about Devin's bsdconfig >> perhaps tying in with a Google SoC Project. >>=20 >> I think Devin was nominated for most of the work, since he was unable >> to defend himself :P >=20 > Thanks. From previous discussions with Devin I think he has other plans f= or the installer that don't involve pc-sysinstall. But since it seems the f= uture is all sh(1) code, I won't be able to contribute. >=20 The future of how these softwares become entangled to produce something bet= ter: + bsdinstall + pc-sysinstall + bsdconfig Is in my mind entirely still open as I work to finish up bsdconfig. I was thinking=85 Perhaps just rewrite bsdinstall from scratch (using the existing code as a = template). Have to put pc-sysinstall on the back-burner for any/all considerations unt= il the code is cleaned up and actually usable on all architectures (there's= a GSoC project to do exactly that -- I'm the potential mentor; project is = pending status). So unless this GSoC goes through and we are able to (as we plan) clean up t= hat mess=85 Defacto plan is to just rewrite bsdinstall from scratch (again=85 using the= existing code as a template). In said rewrite=85 I'd *heavily* leverate usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share/*.subr (= specifically "dialog.subr" -- the abstraction layer that allows me to have = nice i18n-ready dialogs and also gracefully handle dialog in a way that mak= es my code look very clean). > https://wiki.freebsd.org/PCBSDInstallMerge lists a few limitations with p= c-sysinstall - are these being fixed? >=20 I can see if the GSoC student for the "Making pc-sysinstall FreeBSD ready b= y porting it to multiple architectures" project is willing to incorporate a= ny of those limitations into his work. But I think the focus of the project= should be to clean up the code and make it work on at least one other impo= rtant non-x86 architecture. Barring that=85 You're absolutely right in stating that any/all discussions on merging pc-s= ysinstall with bsdinstall would result in a regression with pc-sysinstall i= n its current state. --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.