From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Thu Jan 16 11:01:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A966232BDF for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from puchar.net (puchar.net [194.1.144.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47z1Tg6wSJz3LZr; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:01:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 00GB1Mqk048498 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Jan 2020 12:01:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=puchar.net; s=default; t=1579172484; bh=QB6JPy18n9KmfZ5EcuTtFYKTriuVrhcXFgA9I88atg0=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=NOVQPWiReTHiJce5P1+ClQ6DRZhgfzrkC/+NJkLkgneSK3uf4KRCcXaBg6xJGBput a9mUIf+3UsJ93aWNZAMDBWgmRtvu/8ZFAqchRQ4V0A+SPSK/fTSJQbC35WwcShs52Q nRdq5vTZnaRJ+M5B5GdUWpbkAFYd8PqB2RYnzPeA= Received: from localhost (puchar-wojtek@localhost) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 00GB1M3f048495; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 12:01:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 12:01:22 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Enji Cooper cc: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , Domagoj Smol??i?? , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, "jrm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Core Team Secretary Subject: Re: Bruce D Evans In-Reply-To: <6A103033-C9EF-4860-8381-267FD1B1F31C@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <20200116020328.GD80053@eureka.lemis.com> <6A103033-C9EF-4860-8381-267FD1B1F31C@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47z1Tg6wSJz3LZr X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=puchar.net header.s=default header.b=NOVQPWiR; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wojtek@puchar.net designates 194.1.144.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wojtek@puchar.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.45 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.43)[-0.430,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_REJECT(1.00)[puchar.net:s=default]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[puchar.net]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[puchar.net:-]; CTYPE_MIXED_BOGUS(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[90.144.1.194.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.72)[ip: (-7.20), ipnet: 194.1.144.0/24(-3.60), asn: 43476(-2.88), country: PL(0.07)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:43476, ipnet:194.1.144.0/24, country:PL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:01:29 -0000 >> in contact with Julie, and one of us will probably be visiting her at >> the end of next month (February) to see what they can find. You'll >> appreciate that this is a delicate balance of the interests of the >> project and the interests of the family. > > I agree. > > This is part of the reason why I publicize everything that needs to be publicized on github, etc, and encrypt everything that deserves to be lost in oblivion, should something happen to me. If someone wants to dig through the remains of my electronics later, they’ll likely be disappointed, since it’s all pretty much DRMed media. > too i agree but why you all so easily and happily go to one big world-sized services and corpos? I too use git regularly but i put my repositories in my server or my employer server. Same with mail, same with everything. I would never use github. As well as many other one-service-per-world services. Do you really like to be like bees or ants living in one big hive and being an element of one machine, or rather be humans? I've chose the latter. > Let’s respect Bruce’s family and their privacy by going through the proper channels Greg, et al, are persuing. right. 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[217.226.57.11]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l6sm4712114wmf.21.2020.01.16.05.27.59 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 16 Jan 2020 05:27:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:27:59 +0100 From: Gary Jennejohn To: Wojciech Puchar Cc: Enji Cooper , Greg 'groggy' Lehey , Domagoj Smol??i?? , "jrm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Core Team Secretary , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bruce D Evans Message-ID: <20200116142759.792ed6ac@ernst.home> In-Reply-To: References: <20200116020328.GD80053@eureka.lemis.com> <6A103033-C9EF-4860-8381-267FD1B1F31C@gmail.com> Reply-To: gljennjohn@gmail.com X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47z4kp31HVz40Kt X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=i6+xbtzY; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gljennjohn@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::433 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gljennjohn@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[gljennjohn@gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.07), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.59), asn: 15169(-1.83), country: US(-0.05)]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[11.57.226.217.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 13:28:03 -0000 On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 12:01:22 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> in contact with Julie, and one of us will probably be visiting her at > >> the end of next month (February) to see what they can find. You'll > >> appreciate that this is a delicate balance of the interests of the > >> project and the interests of the family. > > > > I agree. > > > > This is part of the reason why I publicize everything that needs to be publicized on github, etc, and encrypt everything that deserves to be lost in oblivion, should something happen to me. If someone wants to dig through the remains of my electronics later, they___ll likely be disappointed, since it___s all pretty much DRMed media. > > > too i agree but why you all so easily and happily go to one big > world-sized services and corpos? > > I too use git regularly but i put my repositories in my server or my > employer server. Same with mail, same with everything. > > I would never use github. As well as many other one-service-per-world > services. > I think you overlooked the "everything that needs to be publicized" in Enji's comment. If one is developing for the community then github is the logical place to put code so that other members of the community can easily access it. If development is for the employer or personal use then there's no reason to make stuff publically available. > Do you really like to be like bees or ants living in one big hive and > being an element of one machine, or rather be humans? I've chose the > latter. > > > Let___s respect Bruce___s family and their privacy by going through the proper channels Greg, et al, are persuing. > right. > -- Gary Jennejohn