From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 8 19:32:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D5316A534; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:32:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-0-0-cust107.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.104.168.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9348243DDE; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:32:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GhtAJ-000I2a-HX; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:32:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:32:50 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: John E Hein Message-ID: <20061108193250.GX83597@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , John E Hein , John Baldwin , cvs-doc@freebsd.org, Daniel Gerzo , cvs-all@freebsd.org, Daniel Gerzo , Max Laier , doc-committers@freebsd.org References: <200611071654.kA7GsWbj097708@repoman.freebsd.org> <200611072054.30906.max@love2party.net> <947574552.20061107211608@micronet.sk> <200611071700.27822.jhb@freebsd.org> <20061107222022.GI83597@submonkey.net> <17746.2024.626683.557869@gromit.timing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="S4+Kf2w4CfEO117G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17746.2024.626683.557869@gromit.timing.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: cvs-doc@freebsd.org, John Baldwin , Daniel Gerzo , cvs-all@freebsd.org, Daniel Gerzo , Max Laier , doc-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: www/en about.sgml X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:32:58 -0000 --S4+Kf2w4CfEO117G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 09:38:00AM -0700, John E Hein wrote: > Ceri Davies wrote at 22:20 +0000 on Nov 7, 2006: > > On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 05:00:26PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > > These directions are all you need. > > >=20 > > > These directions is all you need. > >=20 > > Those two sentences invert the subject and object. >=20 > The basic structure of the sentence being discussed is this: >=20 > is/are . >=20 > The rule is that the verb should agree with the subject. >=20 > If the subject is plural, use 'are'. > If the subject is singular, use 'is'. >=20 > In order to determine which sense of the verb to use in the original > sentence, you need only determine if the subject is singular or > plural. Simple, right? Maybe not. >=20 > "All you need is/are these directions." >=20 > The problem is that in this sentence, it's not entirely > clear whether the subjective clause (All you need) is > plural or singular. >=20 > It could be either. "All you need" may be one thing (a cookie) or a > few things (the following ingredients: flour, brown sugar, butter and > chocolate chips). Other pronouns with the same property as "all" > include "any" and "some". > So my conclusion was that "these directions" are plural, and thus > "are" is better. But one could claim that "these directions" is > singular (as in "the list of these directions" where "the list of" is > implicit), in which case it could be argued that "is" is a better > choice. If the sentence were, "All you need is this list of > directions", it would seem to clearly point to using "is". But that's > really a different sentence. Yep. I hinted in my reply to Max Laier this morning that I might be backing down on this one. Not saying that I am, or nuthin'... :) Ceri --=20 That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere --S4+Kf2w4CfEO117G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFUjDiocfcwTS3JF8RAh8uAJ4s2U6zL8QdYYCdSsA+7Aa8H8csdQCfXQ47 frVLXS1C9UmnB/hPhg1SoGo= =i0Vw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --S4+Kf2w4CfEO117G--