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Date:      Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:15:32 -0500
From:      mpd <mpd6334@cs.rit.edu>
To:        Peter Leftwich <Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com>
Cc:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: XF86 4.2.0 "xf86cfg" command, one day at a time :(
Message-ID:  <20020403211532.B70658@rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020403202433.C68910-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net>; from Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com on Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 08:31:12PM -0500
References:  <20020403200100.A70658@rochester.rr.com> <20020403202433.C68910-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net>

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On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 08:31:12PM -0500, Peter Leftwich wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, mpd wrote:
> > > > > [1] Why is this logfile necessarily 690 lines?! and
> > > > Because 690 lines was necessary to convey the information.
> > > Very disconcerting.  (Six hundred ninety times over.)
> > I disagree, a LOT.
> 
> If dmesg knows so much -- which it undeniably does -- why is there no
> XFree86, or plain X binary command, that works "out-of-the-box?!"

The vga server should work out of the box, I think.

> In some
> ways, FreeBSD is really lacking for a "Control Panel" type command that
> would "ping" your PnP monitor, videocard, mouse, audio, etc and so on and
> so forth. >:-(

This is a good idea. It would take a lot of work to keep it updated, though.
There may even be existing software which implements some of this.

> 
> > > I downloaded a bunch of *.tgz files then ran the command `sh Xinstall.sh` originally.
> > Yes, those are binary packages.
> > > It would take me a century to figure out how to `make install` from scratch, but that might be favorable as I'd end up with one built on FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE *and* one that listened to /etc/make.conf where it says i686. :)
> > Have you tried the port? It works fine.
> 
> How might I try the port?  Is this a portupgrade -R thing or a pkg_add -r thing?

Get rid of whatever X cruft you have in your system now, and portinstall
XFree86-4 (if you already have the portupgrade port installed.) The ports
system is well documented in the handbook.

> Should I just go to www.xfree86.org and wallow in my pity?
> 
> > > It really annoys me that the manpage for "xf86cfg" admits:
> > > "BUGS
> > > 	Probably."
> > > How mature and user-friendly.  It may as well have lines following this saying:
> > > "EASE-OF-INSTALLATION-FOR-A-MODERATELY-INTELLIGENT-INSTALLER
> > > 	Superbly difficult.  Find a grain of salt on a beach then check back here."
> > Frankly, I think this tool is garbage. Not one time has it ever configured X for me correctly (20+ attempts at different times.) I've always used xf86config, which works fine.
> 
> I think they should make two tools, the capitalized one "XF86CFG" would run
> in a GUI and the "xf86cfg" one would run in a text-only menu similar to
> xf86config which I just ran and was failed once again miserably...

There are two tools. Remember, these are volunteer efforts, and I'm
sure any contributions of code or documentation would be gladly
accepted.

> 
> > The sysmouse device should already exist. If it doesn't, MAKEDEV it.
> 
> I have tried both editing the XF86Config.new file and `ln -s /dev/sysmouse
> /dev/mouse` but am failing on both accounts, seemingly?

Don't symlink it. MAKEDEV the device if it doesn't exist. /dev/sysmouse has
special meaning in that it uses whatever mouse the mouse daemon is configured
to use.

> 
> > > What are my chances at get this working TO- DAY- ??!!! :(
> > Trust me, it's not as hard as it looks from the outside.  Don't try to eat it all at once. Take small bites.
> > mike
> 
> I have taken small bites since Feb 9th or 16th, it's been so long I can't
> recall!  Being X-less is really not fun, and having to go to the local
> library to graphically browse the web using WinBloze equally sux.

Like I said, the mouse problem was the only real error I saw in that
log you posted. There's the DRI issue, but that isn't a fatal error.

If you're *really* wanting to see if X will start without fixing
the mouse error, do a startx -- -allowMouseOpenFail. It won't be
very useful without the rodent, though (a few window managers aside,
of course.)

> 
> > "MR NUTTY SAID EATING RICE VERMICELLI WILL MAKE YOUR GARDEN GROW!!!"
> > 	- Little Girl from "WHAT WILL MAKE YOUR GARDEN GROW"
> 
> Who is this Little Girl anyway? :)

http://www.yellow5.com/pokey

> 
> --
> Peter Leftwich

mike
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