From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 28 14:19:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737C810D3146 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:19:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3D74868A9 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:e066:aa0a:f92a:9bf4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE514F89E for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/EE514F89E; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: How does one become a triager? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20181027210616.27bnrtit5bfusa2u@privacychain.ch> From: Matthew Seaman Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=matthew@FreeBSD.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFJIL80BEADi7/VbnnErDU6pjEhI/SzEZ/HbDRkJ5g7HroAtqIRm6nj8ZwOAgZ/2ZnWn 5F+fXTuLsG0FLNtkd17FoVcuCi5e/GPliXI5cmamV7E1Yz4T8UsJ7RQolimyxVexccKd16Tc AA7B9bFlJSKkBUSD0buj7VjT07xWhRzu6Vgi5r0UjLALYJz977uZA0F1aOGOXREDEAOhdcNc kSNjynqAwDA6dCT1Elpi4key1fYjv4jyDF+GU/YXul2Y/rguA8FCkHd9vyym5eAsLQ5mG00V V9fkEHIpH5KorNVnl/ufHXnkZqmHAZVpFDcrshb7aZ/pL45PXyWgLj+e6etelgj3a2bZi0JF cVdXCnBZVP2oIyYblM11ugTbfCwodORU8a5KfPeztMdAtDr4e+32NTrPdPi5rLT+GUsYz+PL 3A3m3u8bdsFp40DlIrBtSByVjqERxcfhphrEB4J8BXHUG7OAtXkZMlW/PGKDwXJq0O6Z5Tcg YHAoEiSWbXiexHgXNJyP+sqnIlhLWhSJGeJ+C83wqI6oYlZUCW00NkPxcIHnQPV/z+5wQVci TMyaWC2YCIHz4Ljs+TnwWMz0E8PNFDfHVbQ0W4PRGV7gRAqxfL+yKufauIEGbEq8rNDbSwL3 bcUCxR4ZDlaUEUwT4J8naf7rjdgiEYHs2Ig3jeK1+ER4FPG1sQARAQABzTBNYXR0aGV3IFNl YW1hbiA8bS5zZWFtYW5AaW5mcmFjYW5pbm9waGlsZS5jby51az7CwZcEEwEKAEECGwMFCwkI BwMFFQoJCAsFFgIDAQACHgECF4ACGQEWIQRyz6whebywJLW1RZADb2ye5/OevwUCWttU4QUJ DFmAlAAKCRADb2ye5/Oevwb5EACipbOazgwl5IbqkQI4gELpCh5dqDASS9DQqAD35n/cI91P 0lrYcdyCQbOXadQi5bswnP4AcJqX83mITXbcApDdxVxHujw7VODI069eV3/I9Qz72mHYYAAj w0CHNx4bKED2YCSVS6+jV5hq2sywNEUxL+4I218Oc+IsLts62m4tQ8UxX9fQ2H1kQOvdrYpj x7je5qJX/yujLc+9WWZ8ZBSdP/HVJUEdRgQotwAlgfMp3mRQEE73MAJisG/olj/dSxd+oHIP NbJt1yxMqhZekuEGqZpm3tWvqYgpGcEXdhphJSxeK6oLpTLghuAb7/WdOBrpfL7c2OQYBgOw DK+7Io9NBt/d/rCxL39jmUONW8ohrhnNQ2SALnyYTvZgruxA4tXxOOyM9up0/8mB5E8YC9ML 5YuxRPNTXYeWCexa0zktnkCgT7PhS33evf5gsA0B9Snv7TFCFN9adPAdHlsppZIWfTHDG8e2 Jik8PmvsUG34XNif5k6Ui3++2ZA8ZoKvOyLeomuno1hN8yk1APw8SbX1SPNz9UVbl8W/YgGj 3GhYOuQt4HcMiLyTby6R4lC4nsBaHS1MX+57f6Zxzf2wNjSKxiJK9qS7azbu/GxpafNhbz1Z +iUDIaJkRWA1Gs8C7SMcfVsI5zDtvqHGYtTCgooVMYJ6vRyB68M4bljUYMxRTs7BTQRSUUK4 ARAA1FhWoOejtwmsnGshoIbda2FmM+z/f97OzpagLhACHfP5Es/I18wG/0G+rdNuO2tjA9IM Z44GUMtjokDrDk63N9S+rVKy1QEy+UN6CiIfYTpTTAPnEY7IGN1JjGksPhn7aeuBCQwUMAV1 k+wklBCcOD6s8DD4kx0ZJqkH83XzWoBSVamdHvnM56C8yPVr5HHMC1tZInAWBMrF+cjl1EPf z3CqkVnG8Sxc5ydeibMS9Q3lHLeVkVlMRAmNqzNLfgJDUWtzac7JIjFEsxYYhpiaPcsstUUu Ha4zIRJ/yHDNbDttWRf1lrlFZLpeuap4BZ2hQw0UOZVNwGoFoS4ZqaZiv8mm0lX6s9/AdQD6 AVrpXWKa7JU2wDiay9sRbYh+5vVWGz9mhncK/Vfwtu5IjVp5v5WMz/WfnUxZMcNlfgTo4i1s www+qRBO2A4Yj8qKKWnTsl7aCX92itTiPgwbt6YgQPwgww72r67jPt5o8VMXDqPMPKzGicw1 AyxtMjsoSlnn91FuZctwil3vPpvzGXtBmrzQSbdDmy0KT5p5/W9pD/8UtLLLM6PLs5X0jIho vQHnQKEUO7xV3yNDAW9DPICeh7f/o9W+QJfQAXngNz0brvmgScAUXRaeAFeQbAmtEG92qlSV D7gb7WOemllgfbEn0Nanrv5aEcZCWx4WjybMLHEAEQEAAcLBfAQYAQoAJgIbDBYhBHLPrCF5 vLAktbVFkANvbJ7n856/BQJa21VJBQkMUG4RAAoJEANvbJ7n856/mAcP/0ybQAvXfxWEEByk IP0DhJHAC/EMeBwNkiAp4Sqr+uIz3GCFGKHDjvEGsofiFQ2ujBpG7FncHlBbnsTLFvte3ahE 30I1AKcd9k1MBeOFoCBHwES1ts0XUXF37E+ANrECQrzSayZx95csIiYvlfOPEOLAt7EiURKX CXdO6HNo8UimcmGdQwT3ytTMosHAbdrhQk13chTIWptmmCwz9iWLxT9PLY01ACCoXuAdGz07 ZXQn+bB+avMa6Wh5yh39J+6jJiuzbRlv/Uelogq7ojbC5zveX5rNbcyinwOEFyGAhFpfF7ES sKedR2Q40LvysT7I5ugS+Hk4Z2nvbd2bOSdC4j8aBWzfqVu2p37d2AnnswfPoLrOyNUZ+ciT EcmEUVR7WWUwQ0H6A6h4C2NeBmLRRjk9CEfzrgM2DNQqDL1RMYKlVosQ8BeUR9ThztUwDakx nK0ZtZb2rAliKYaaEFbZDePz1xmvjYc7EZq/3OTlGMUDa6BPHHbCvJjiAUc/Q9iaRe3dp69V /rwOM5NiS+tWgp3OtgX0mDWVoQnDjyWVIRU/QagJHsNJJCc0N48BxgIX3H6M0x6BbA9PKgFt DlK4hLR/hDl5fnWG45TVIxT4ybuPXGW7af9U6bGDgXTBNUCzNUz2p2F2u7W/iK0WTfjovYvV Vcptegyu6ttZN49KkQtL Message-ID: <51c0f53e-27dd-b6b1-94ee-f358fa098458@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:19:34 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="F7DcVNmlAsGxDR9mUOFztBjYw70hhZjAf" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:19:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --F7DcVNmlAsGxDR9mUOFztBjYw70hhZjAf Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="376E2QDS5ff7aLQhCwBZMGk17IZNLXDwN"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <51c0f53e-27dd-b6b1-94ee-f358fa098458@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: How does one become a triager? References: <20181027210616.27bnrtit5bfusa2u@privacychain.ch> In-Reply-To: --376E2QDS5ff7aLQhCwBZMGk17IZNLXDwN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 28/10/2018 08:54, Lorenzo Salvadore via freebsd-questions wrote: >>> Hello. >> >> Hi. >> >>> I saw on bugzilla that some users are FreeBSD triagers. If I understo= od >>> correctly, this means that they try to keep the bugs database clean a= nd >>> easy to use and they ensure that the right labels, keywords, tags etc= =2E are >>> in the right place. >>> However, I was unable to find anywhere how does one become a >>> triager: does this work like for committers as some sort of reward or= >>> is it on volunteer basis? >> >> I suppose you are talking about the Bugmeisters: >> >> https://www.freebsd.org/administration.html#t-bugmeister >> >> So, they are FreeBSD Developers with that task assigned to them. >> >>> Thank you. >>> Lorenzo Salvadore. >> >> Best Regards, >> Alexandre C. Guimar=C3=A3es. >=20 > Thank you very much, indeed I had not understand that the triagers > and the bugmeisters were the same thing. There's a bit of a misconception here: people aren't 'assigned' to bugmeister@ -- they volunteer. In fact, pretty much everything about FreeBSD development is done on a purely voluntary basis. Yes, there are a few people employed by the FreeBSD Foundation or by various vendors (to maintain drivers for certain hardware typically) who don't necessarily just work on what they fancy working on whenever they feel like it, but they are definitely in the minority. This means that many FreeBSD developers are doing the work only as their available free time allows. Consequently, there's always a backlog of "stuff that should be done" and a shortage of people stepping up to do it. Anyone wanting to become involved in the project will be welcomed gladly and if they show any consistent tendency to contribute over time, they will be punished with a commit bit, or (if their contributions are not so much in the area of writing code) possibly the relatively new project membership status. A lot of jobs get taken up by existing developers for the pretty simple reason that developers tend to go to devsummits where project needs are discussed, where many other developers get to know them and their interests and so they are quite likely to get the suggestion that this is a job they might like to do. In many cases, there's no intrinsic requirement for people to be committers in order to do a lot of jobs around the project, it's just that historically the project has been much better at recruiting developers than people with talents in other directions. So, for the OP, my advice is: talk to people, get to know and become known around the community. Contact the bugmeister@ team and ask about volunteering. Discuss with them how you might be able to help out, and then get stuck in. If you can afford it, go to FreeBSD conferences or other events where you can meet FreeBSD people face to face -- that makes a big difference. There are conferences spread around the world: since the OP is apparently in Switzerland, perhaps a visit to FOSDEM in Brussels next February, or EuroBSDCon which will be in Lillehammer, Norway next Septemb= er. 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