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( [195.158.125.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d4sm674717fga.8.2008.08.02.09.32.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:32:56 -0700 (PDT) From: mcassar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:32:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200808021550.48302.marshc187@gmail.com> <20080802163253.12a47b6a@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20080802163253.12a47b6a@gumby.homeunix.com.> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200808021832.53488.marshc187@gmail.com> Subject: Re: gemeral questions (noobish) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:33:01 -0000 On Saturday 02 August 2008 17:32:53 RW wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:50:48 +0200 > > mcassar wrote: > > firstly - i have installed kde3 and xfce4 from packages (like most of > > it -> xorg,etc) and have tried updates before with different results. > > i don't mind messing things up, as long as i can somehow surf or > > check mails - but would like to do a *proper* update. > > > > firstly, are [freebsd-update] and [cvsup stable src.all] necessary > > before installing anything from ports? > > freebsd-update does a binary update to the base system, csup of src-all > is for fetching source to rebuild the base system. You can build ports > and base independently > > BTW you should be using csup (in the base system), not cvsup. cvsup was > written in modulo2, csup is a rewrite in C with fewer dependencies > > Also if you are new to FreeBSD, you should probably not be using a > stable branch, these are stable development branches. Consider using a > security branch like RELENG_7_0, and later moving to RELENG_7_1 and so > on. > > > and are ports considered > > stable or current? or are they automatically matched to the installed > > version? > > There's only one version of ports, the builds automatically adapt to > your basesystem version. > > > also, do portsnap and cvsup ports do the same thing? i've tried cvsup > > exactly after portsnap and it still seems to edit/update the ports > > tree. > > They're more or less the same. portsnap is faster, but it's for ports > only and is less flexible. > > > why i'm confused is that i get alot of warnings when many ports try > > to build, and many hiccups in apps once they are installed, and i > > don't know which way to go --- gcc manual and fixing my environment, > > build options, etc,, or if it still something in the actual ports? > > You don't need to set much, if anything. Read the entries > in /usr/ports/UPDATING before doing an upgrade. Most build problems > will fix themselves within a day or two if you resync the ports tree. > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" damn, thanks - I had mistaken stable to be what is release; i had come across the difference at some point but didn't realise when i tried cvsup (which i also mistook to be more recent than csup). I only tried csup on ports once and wasn't too sure i should since the handbook or somewhere mentioned the ports tree should be empty the first time you run it; and got the impression you should only use either or (csup vs portsnap). anyhow i think that only my nvidia driver instructions mentioned it relies on what i think are system sources (kernel related - if i'm not mistaken) - but i haven't touched that yet. I hate to bother any further but have one thing to clarify about building attempts - when building anything, if that's ok. I only have a basic understanding of C so far, and can't really tell how critical warnings are - such as undefined this and that, defined but not used...etc, when building a port. should i stop those and see how i should fix them or let them proceed as long as they're not errors? I can live with my current system for now, but have a few things i need to update eventually. again, many thanks for the reply and clarifying. mcassar