From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 23 21:21:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB4216A4CE for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:21:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D1443D2F for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:21:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from geekout@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so64584wra for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:21:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gIdLYKXc24iLJ/qJF9MbsPqvUf4pQTl+cWjBnTQiU7JwxX7BETgetTbScvgzX8iT22/HqkH7boVpTYVemiEuYiEozLrg0aTIRXouzSxaBlZQDLMRDXpuAKK++mEr8d/fFJDSwSuC9zZ8hJSjqrMlyQxxGo1/4oYRyMUAigZVSqg= Received: by 10.54.6.57 with SMTP id 57mr212350wrf; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.46.25 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:21:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e01203b04122313217a55640c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:21:11 -0700 From: Tyler Gee To: ghost@kzsu.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041223063731.GW53357@wantadilla.lemis.com> <41CB1C0C.70804@daleco.biz> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time to shut down this list? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Gee List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:21:12 -0000 For examply, Sally's post which everyone just saw: Hi, I've been subscribing to this list for over 3 years. I initially subscribed to the -questions list also, but I couldn't handle the volume, and also couldn't interpret the language used there. I need to learn in a language that I know, or at least get an interpreter for the manpage-ese that's used in replies to questions on that list. I ask a simple question, how do I automate ports update? I get "read the manpages" or quoting from the manpages which is written in a language foreign to me, but masquerades as English. Where can I get at least a good, simple glossary for the terms used in the manpages and on the questions list? I asked questions here, and got yelled at, at great length. I have not posted to this list for over a year because of that. On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:18:01 -0800, Gianluca wrote: > Hello, > as a freebsd newbie myself, I'm a little ambivalent about the list and > the overall attitude towards really FAQ-type questions. no matter how > many helpful (and knowledgeable) people might monitor this list and > answer every question, RTFM (not in such a rude way) is a necessary > answer in the OSS world: if you're installing freebsd and get > intimidated by the tcsh prompt, there's something intrinsically wrong > that no number of helpful answers will correct. I did choose freebsd > over the other free *nixes for my impression of better documentation > and community support, but especially because there's already an > awesome piece of documentation like the handbook, questions that are > really too basic are just adding to the background noise. > > what I'd really like/need as a newbie are more tutorials in the style > of samba's how-to, i.e. walkthroughs for selected scenarios that are > representative of real-world use of the OS. stuff like what the > freebsddiary provides, but much more and more oriented to newbies/home > users that are probably coming from windows. I'm thinking for example > of common things like setting up a home firewall, or a simple file > server (maybe with RAID which is what I'm struggling w/ right now) > with recommendations all the way from the hardware ("if you're buying > new, X is more supported than Y" is something I'd really like to see > explicitly more often) to installation, configuration and maintenance. > > having said that I wouldn't want to see newbies- go though :) > > g. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >