Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 13:11:34 -0400 From: Mike Jakubik <mike.jakubik@swiftsmsgateway.com> To: "Dave Cottlehuber" <dch@FreeBSD.org> Cc: "Dewayne" <dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au>, "erlang" <erlang@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: heads up - BEAM ports purge in PR263694 Message-ID: <18168595822.124590a671817864.8877245389235019893@swiftsmsgateway.com> In-Reply-To: <a6cd7fdd-34c4-4f0e-b6ce-c3f456f6a301@www.fastmail.com> References: <b5286f8d-937f-4941-9e0a-305e303d8d7d@www.fastmail.com> <ee919aa6-ed28-74aa-a434-1086bc27115c@heuristicsystems.com.au> <ec2f7761-fc07-fbdc-c0ff-8e1b242fba74@heuristicsystems.com.au> <a6cd7fdd-34c4-4f0e-b6ce-c3f456f6a301@www.fastmail.com>
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------=_Part_5759397_1385429341.1655313094690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a new comer to Erlang, our software also depends on rebar to download it= s dependencies. Thanks for he clean-up! ---- On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 13:06:40 -0400 Dave Cottlehuber <dch@FreeBSD.org> = wrote ---- On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, at 02:14, Dewayne wrote:=20 >> If you have any ports you'd like to keep, please let me know here:=20 >>=20 >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D263694=20 >=20 > Dave,=20 > I started this email asking how will a newbie to FreeBSD and Erlang=20 > discover applications that are known to work on FreeBSD, and what the=20 > "mix tools" were, that you'd mentioned.=20 =20 Thanks for the reply Dewayne!=20 =20 Bearing in mind that I'm an erlang user now for ~ 12 years, well before=20 rebar* and elixir came along, is it even possible to reach for erlang=20 these days and *not* run into rebar3? I=E2=80=99m in too deep to know.=20 =20 Would somebody who installs lang/rust need to be told what cargo is?=20 Should the OS package manager tell rubyists about gem & bundler?=20 =20 I've not run into anybody *not* using rebar & mix in more than 8 years.=20 Don't get me wrong, it's totally legit, just rather uncommon :-)=20 =20 We could add something similar to lang/ruby:=20 =20 https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/lang/ruby32/pkg-message=20 =20 > I do use=20 > erlang-epgsql 4.1.0 -> 4.6.0=20 > erlang-gen_smtp 0.1.3 -> 1.2.0 ***=20 > erlang-jobs 0.7.2 -> 0.10.0=20 > erlang-lager_syslog 3.0.3 -> 3.1.1=20 > erlang-cowboy 1.1.2 -> 2.9.0 ***=20 =20 NB the above versions are extracted from:=20 =20 https://portscout.freebsd.org/erlang@freebsd.org.html=20 =20 Other than cowboy & gen_smtp, these are trivial version bumps from=20 the user's perspective. You can expect significant changes when=20 switching to cowboy 2.x though and ranch will change for gen_smtp=20 as well as cowboy.=20 =20 Can you clarify a bit more how you use them? Off-list is fine.=20 =20 If this is a common use case we should accommodate it, but if it's=20 special snowflake territory then I'd prefer I spend 30m helping=20 you get started on rebar, or working together on updating these=20 ports, than an ongoing maintenance burden in ports just for the=20 sake of it.=20 =20 <hint>=20 In general its no problem to keep these & maintain them - if somebody=20 is using and willing to test them. I'd be more open to keeping them=20 onboard if there were willing contributors.=20 </hint>=20 =20 > Perhaps we could reference these two sites as part of an Erlang=20 > installation message or in the long description to assist those new to=20 > the ports system, and provide some guidance?=20 =20 that is a good idea, I will do it alongside these changes.=20 =20 A+=20 Dave=20 =E2=80=94=20 O for a muse of fire, that would ascend the brightest heaven of invention!= =20 =20 =20 Mike Jakubik https://www.swiftsmsgateway.com/ Disclaimer: This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the use o= f the addressee(s) and may contain information that is privileged or confid= ential. If you are not the intended recipient, or responsible for deliverin= g the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that a= ny dissemination, distribution, printing or copying of this e-mail and any = attachments is strictly prohibited. If this e-mail and any attachments were= received in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the= original message. ------=_Part_5759397_1385429341.1655313094690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head>= <meta content=3D"text/html;charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"></h= ead><body ><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif= ; font-size: 10pt;"><div>As a new comer to Erlang, our software also depend= s on rebar to download its dependencies.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thank= s for he clean-up!</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"zmail_extra_hr" style= =3D"border-top: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; margin-top: 10px= ; margin-bottom: 10px; line-height: 0px;"><br></div><div class=3D"zmail_ext= ra" data-zbluepencil-ignore=3D"true"><div><br></div><div id=3D"Zm-_Id_-Sgn1= ">---- On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 13:06:40 -0400 <b>Dave Cottlehuber <dch@FreeB= SD.org></b> wrote ----<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style=3D"marg= in: 0px;"><div>On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, at 02:14, Dewayne wrote: <br>>> I= f you have any ports you'd like to keep, please let me know here: <br>>&= gt; <br>>> <a href=3D"https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?= id=3D263694" target=3D"_blank">https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.c= gi?id=3D263694</a> <br>> <br>> Dave, <br>> I started this email as= king how will a newbie to FreeBSD and Erlang <br>> discover applications= that are known to work on FreeBSD, and what the <br>> "mix tools" were,= that you'd mentioned. <br> <br>Thanks for the reply Dewayne! <br> <br>Bear= ing in mind that I'm an erlang user now for ~ 12 years, well before <br>reb= ar* and elixir came along, is it even possible to reach for erlang <br>thes= e days and *not* run into rebar3? I=E2=80=99m in too deep to know. <br> <br= >Would somebody who installs lang/rust need to be told what cargo is? <br>S= hould the OS package manager tell rubyists about gem & bundler? <br> <= br>I've not run into anybody *not* using rebar & mix in more than 8 yea= rs. <br>Don't get me wrong, it's totally legit, just rather uncommon :-) <b= r> <br>We could add something similar to lang/ruby: <br> <br><a href=3D"htt= ps://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/lang/ruby32/pkg-message" target=3D"_blank"= >https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/lang/ruby32/pkg-message</a>; <br> <br>&= gt; I do use <br>> erlang-epgsql 4.1.0 -> 4.6.0 <br>> erlang= -gen_smtp 0.1.3 -> 1.2.0 *** <br>> erlang-jobs 0.7.2 -&g= t; 0.10.0 <br>> erlang-lager_syslog 3.0.3 -> 3.1.1 <br>> erlang-co= wboy 1.1.2 -> 2.9.0 *** <br> <br>NB the above versions are extrac= ted from: <br> <br><a href=3D"https://portscout.freebsd.org/erlang@freebsd.= org.html" target=3D"_blank">https://portscout.freebsd.org/erlang@freebsd.or= g.html</a> <br> <br>Other than cowboy & gen_smtp, these are trivial ver= sion bumps from <br>the user's perspective. You can expect significant chan= ges when <br>switching to cowboy 2.x though and ranch will change for gen_s= mtp <br>as well as cowboy. <br> <br>Can you clarify a bit more how you use = them? Off-list is fine. <br> <br>If this is a common use case we should acc= ommodate it, but if it's <br>special snowflake territory then I'd prefer I = spend 30m helping <br>you get started on rebar, or working together on upda= ting these <br>ports, than an ongoing maintenance burden in ports just for = the <br>sake of it. <br> <br><hint> <br>In general its no problem to = keep these & maintain them - if somebody <br>is using and willing to te= st them. I'd be more open to keeping them <br>onboard if there were willing= contributors. <br></hint> <br> <br>> Perhaps we could reference t= hese two sites as part of an Erlang <br>> installation message or in the= long description to assist those new to <br>> the ports system, and pro= vide some guidance? <br> <br>that is a good idea, I will do it alongside th= ese changes. <br> <br>A+ <br>Dave <br>=E2=80=94 <br>O for a muse of fire, t= hat would ascend the brightest heaven of invention! <br> <br> <br></div></b= lockquote></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"zmail_signature_below"><div id= =3D"Zm-_Id_-Sgn" data-zbluepencil-ignore=3D"true" data-sigid=3D"78860770000= 00096004"><div>Mike Jakubik<br></div><div><a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http= s://www.swiftsmsgateway.com/">https://www.swiftsmsgateway.com/</a><br></div= ><div><br></div><div><span class=3D"size" style=3D"font-size:10px">Disclaim= er: This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the use of the ad= dressee(s) and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. = If you are not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering the in= formation to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disse= mination, distribution, printing or copying of this e-mail and any attachme= nts is strictly prohibited. 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