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Date:      Mon, 11 Aug 2014 08:35:35 -0700
From:      David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org>
To:        Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>
Cc:        Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com>, FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: operation not permitted on entropy file
Message-ID:  <20140811153535.GA30506@home.parts-unknown.org>
In-Reply-To: <20140811171653.b7c60e58.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 05:16:53PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 09:52:00 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote:
> > Try fsck'ing a nearly full TB FS on a production box that has had a dir=
ty
> > unmount and you will begin to appreciate the adventure a bit more.
>=20
> I prefer appreciating my precious data. :-)
>=20
On my system, it's a 2TB disk.

> > > And if I don't have
> > > soft updates by default, then why are they being reported by fsck?
> >=20
> > This statement doesn't make sense.  Can you post the output you're seei=
ng
> > along with the mount options in play?

Ummm, how could I post this output? In single user, read-only mode, I
don't think it got logged anywhere. I didn't take a picture. But I saw
lots of messages referring to "unexpected SU+J inconsistencies." I
remember the abbreviation sequence because I didn't know what it stood
for (and still don't understand 'soft updates').
>=20
> Having _no_ soft updates is probably only true for / when the
> traditional partitioned layout has been chosen in the installer
> (that is, for sysinstall; I don't know bsdinstall's defaults
> from my memory). All other partitions are usually initialized
> with soft updates enabled.

Okay, this part I'm not remembering. It was FreeBSD 10/stable I was
installing (I made a disk with my notebook). I don't know if it was
sysinstall or bsdinstall.
>=20
> Here's an example (restricted to disks):
>=20
> 	% mount
> 	/dev/ad4s1a on / (ufs, local)
> 	/dev/ad4s1d on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates)
> 	/dev/ad4s1e on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
> 	/dev/ad4s1f on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates)
> 	/dev/ad4s1g on /opt (ufs, local, soft-updates)
> 	/dev/ad6 on /home (ufs, local, soft-updates)
>=20
Mine:

home# mount
/dev/ada0p3 on / (ufs, local, journaled soft-updates)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel)
linprocfs on /usr/compat/linux/proc (linprocfs, local)

I had understood you to say that neither journaling nor soft-updates
were the default for the / partition. I'm not remembering if they were
presented as options in the install or if I selected those options.
(This isn't stuff I ordinarily think much about.)

> As you can see, only / doesn't have soft updates enabled. This
> is the choice I made in sysinstall (FreeBSD 8 here) when the
> disk was new.

If the the installation program presents the options, there's a
possibility I ticked the selection. I don't remember.

> > > And for reference, I notice that journaling decisions need to be made
> > > *prior* to creating the filesystem.
> >=20
> > Journaling decisions can be made basically at anytime the FS isn't moun=
ted
> > or mounted ro using tunefs(1).

Ah. Okay. I was only looking at the gjournal man page.

> The safest way to change those settings is to enter single user
> mode and use tunefs on the unmounted partitions.

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David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org>
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