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Date:      Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:40:29 -1000 (HST)
From:      Vincent Poy <vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>
To:        Jeremiah Gowdy <jgowdy@home.com>
Cc:        Charles Burns <burnscharlesn@hotmail.com>, <lplist@closedsrc.org>, <kris@obsecurity.org>, <mwlist@lanfear.com>, <freebsd@sysmach.com?>, <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: the AMD factor in FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.31.0104191037080.4840-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>
In-Reply-To: <001b01c0c8e3$a65f78e0$015778d8@sherline.net>

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote:

> > > > Thanks for the insight but what about in a Single CPU environment?
> > >
> > > This depends on what you plan to do. The general consensus among the
> > > hardware reviewers is that the Athlon is overall faster than any other
> x86
> > > compatible CPU.
> >
> > Yep, that's what I read as well but are there any drawbacks to
> > being faster such as compatibilty and all that stuff?
>
> The compatibility and all that stuff days of the K5 and K6 are long gone.
> Today, generally, if a cpu is x86 compatible, that's that.  There are no
> compatibility issues with the Athlon.

	That's good to hear but isn't there the issue of whether the
software is optimized for the Intel CPU or the AMD CPU?  I thought that
factor still exists.

> > > The only significant performance advantage that the Pentium 3 has over
> the
> > > Athlon is that its l2 cache memory is _much_ faster than that of the
> Athlon.
>
> Could you explain this ?  If you're comparing Thunderbirds to Coppermines, I
> didn't think that was the case.
>
> > > The Athlon has a superior floating point unit that is, in addition, more
> > > deeply pipelined. When using software that isn't optimized for any
> > > particular FPU, the Athlon is typically just under 30% faster. (Some
> > > examples of this can be seen on comparisons between the two at
> Anandtech)
> >
> > Yeah, that's what I am concerned about.  It seems that most things
> > are optimized for the Intel CPU's.  While the FPU is faster on the Athlon
> > than the Intel, what about the non-FPU area?
>
> In business applications benchmarks the Athlon always stomps the P3.

	True but isn't business applications more of what's run on the
Microsoft platform and not really the FreeBSD platform?

> > > The Athlon can take more advantage of higher memory bandwidth than the
> P3
> > > (but probably not the P4), thus you can get a greater performance
> benefit in
> > > some cases using DDR RAM.
> >
> > Speaking about DDR RAM, what kind of performance hits would there
> > be using DDR versus non-DDR RAM?
>
> If I remember correctly, depending on the type the best SDRAM gets about 800
> megs/sec.  DDR SDRAM comes in two flavors, 1.6 gigs/sec and 2.1gigs/sec.

	Interesting but what about percentage wise?

> > > The Athlon is much, much cheaper. Motherboards, however, are more
> expensive.
> > > The overall cost ends up lower with the Athlon, especially if you are
> > > considering the price/perormance ratio.
> >
> > Yeah, that's what I realized as well.  It seems like the VIA and
> > AMD chipset based motherboards costs a lot more than the Intel variants.
>
> You can get an Athlon motherboard for $100.  Even if the Intel motherboard
> was half that, at $50, the difference in the prices of the cpus is FAR more
> than $50.  Up to $200 in the higher end processors.  People always speak of
> the higher cost of Athlon motherboards but I don't see the point if the AMD
> cpu is 40% cheaper and the difference in motherboard prices is relatively
> pennies when you're speaking of a multi-hundred dollar purchase.

	Yeah but the Athlon motherboards at $100 are probably crappy.
I'll give a example.  the ABIT BE6II v2.0 which is Intel 440BX based and
the ABIT KT7A-RAID which is VIA based.

> > Thanks, I'm familiar with all of those.  I guess I just wanted to
> > know how they do under FreeBSD since all the sites really benchmark it
> > under Windows.
>
> It's the same.  If the code is written and compiled properly, the difference
> should be seen in all OSes.

	True but isn't most code still optimized for Intel CPU's though?


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