From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Nov 25 18:22:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3368DECC94 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:22:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from outbound1a.eu.mailhop.org (outbound1a.eu.mailhop.org [52.58.109.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EF4F69185 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) X-MHO-User: a6a95701-d20d-11e7-b805-f37e907b5733 X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information X-Originating-IP: 73.78.92.27 X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP Received: from ilsoft.org (unknown [73.78.92.27]) by outbound1.eu.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA id a6a95701-d20d-11e7-b805-f37e907b5733; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vAPIMoA5001179; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <1511634170.23588.4.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) From: Ian Lepore To: "Julian H. Stacey" , Adrian Chadd Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:22:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <201711251154.vAPBsXMX085057@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <201711251154.vAPBsXMX085057@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:23:00 -0000 On Sat, 2017-11-25 at 12:54 +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Adrian Chadd wrote: > (top posting corrected here) > > > > > On 24 November 2017 at 08:47, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > > > fortune(6) is listed in ring bound 4.3BSD System Index. > > > Butchering on personal whim without prior agreement seems abuse. > > > BSD should be [temporarily] reverted & the commit bit suspended, > > > pending commiters' peer review of an un-authorised deletion. > > > Then decide what what to do with fortune. > > > > hi, > > Pardon me, but it's 2017 and the 4.3BSD system index isn't an immutable bible. > > As a general push to packaging things in general, turning fortune into > > a package seems like some low hanging fruit. > > -adrian > I avoided expressing opinion on where fortune might best be, to > avoid distraction from the point: > > Commit bits are a privilege.  Contentious commits forced through > before discussion, should by policy be automaticaly reverted, > & committers bit suspended, pending committer peer review - Not with > reference to the desirability or otherwise of a commit, but for > imposing on FreeBSD without prior discussion. > > Commiter conduct reviews should be seperate from  > discussion of desirability of a contentious commit. > I'm not sure why you think you're qualified to comment on what policy is, but let me assure you that virtually everything you've ever said on the subject on the freebsd mailing lists is wrong.  People reading this thread should not make the mistake of thinking that you are associated with the project in any way or speak authoratatively about the project and its policies. -- Ian