Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:05:50 -0700 From: "Jason Watkins" <jwatkins@firstplan.com> To: "Stable" <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>, "Joe Kelsey" <joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us> Subject: RE: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD Message-ID: <JBEOKPCEMKJLMJAKBECCIEPMDBAA.jwatkins@firstplan.com> In-Reply-To: <15157.11221.593513.478892@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us>
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JK> All of your problems can be traced back to old hardware or inexperience with the latest thinking in BSD land. Because you have not upgraded your 2.x system, you are essentially stuck. Either get newer hardware to work with or go through the upgrade based on your subscription disks. While that's true in the particular it's still useless advice, and what you're missing is his intent: ie he *shouldn't* be stuck and forced to build a fresh system, and that we should do something to ensure that doesn't happen again. JK> The tracking of stable is not for everyone. Noone *needs* to track stable. JK> What we need is an apt-get-like upgrade path for security fixes that solves the problem of people tracking one version of stable or another. Remove the necessity of recompiling from source and we remove almost all reasons for people to complain about the stableness of stable just because they ran into a minor problem of timing WRT cvsup and updates to the source tree. That's what -stable is SUPPOSED to be, incremental stable bugfixes and functionality updates from the most recent release. Also, there are many advantages to building from source rather than running genericly compiled i386 binaries. I personally love letting gcc be as agressive about optimising to my architecture as possible. On top of that is the standard kernal tuning argument and advantages. I also disagree with your comments re make and the difficulty of rebuilding a system. I am completely new to the unix developement world and make. I'm completely new to freebsd. I was able to rebuild my system without incident following 5 lines of instructions from someone on this list. Obviously this *isn't* rocket science, and aside from eyeballing things in mergemaster, we shouldn't sit back on our haunches and perpetuate the idea that building from -stable is something only for the freebsd cognizati elite. We are not talking about what *is*, we are exploring what we feel things *should* be. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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