From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 9 21:35:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB20316A417 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E58813C459 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4484F51927 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:35:23 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070909223523.55df5779@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: References: <70e8236f0709081933k5f2352d2y389c6e2bb7599b16@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ADSL Bandwidth Monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:35:27 -0000 On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 23:16:35 -0700 "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: > ... > However, the thing that most people (who don't work at telcos) do not > understand is that the telcos found very quickly that they cannot put > contention into an ATM network comprised of a DSL atm circuits for a > very simple reason. > > ... > SO, the cost of discarding a single 56 byte ATM cell means the ATM > cloud will have to get another 1400 bytes of data retransmitted > through it. > > It doesen't take a rocket scientist to see that introducing contention > into an ATM circuit carrying a DSL circuit will cause a massive > increase in traffic in the switch, and wipe out any gains from > contention. I don't know much about DSLAMS, but ATM switches have been able to drop whole AAL5 frames for a long time. Do DSLAMS really not have EPD/PPD? However the contention is done, it definitely happens in the UK.