From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 25 21:14:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02336 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:14:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02316 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:13:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA04727 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:43:56 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) id PAA93493 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:43:55 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:43:54 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Chat Subject: A successor to CSRG (was: 4.4BSD) Message-ID: <19990126154354.A93469@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I picked this up in the PUPS (PDP UNIX Preservation Society) mailing list. Comments? Greg ----- Forwarded message from Michael Sokolov ----- > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:23:32 -0500 > To: pups@minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au > Precedence: bulk > > You know, if your interest is in resurrecting CSRG, my advice to you is not to > bother with 4.4BSD-*, but to join Quasijarus Project instead. The break point > in the history of CSRG was in late 1988. Everything after that is so far from > True UNIX that I have decided to put a big X over it, turn the Universe clock > back to that point (using my SCCS Time Machine), declare all of CSRG's > post-1988 work "not really CSRG", and declare myself CSRG's true successor. > > If you look at my mail signature, you'll see that I'm the new official > maintainer of Berkeley UNIX and the principal architect of its further > development, known as Quasijarus Project. As far as I am concerned, 4.4BSD > never existed except as a "side branch" from True UNIX, and the last True UNIX > release from CSRG was 4.3BSD-Tahoe. I picked it up from that point and now I'm > maintaining and developing it just as CSRG did until 1988. I am the true > successor of true CSRG. If you want CSRG, here I am. > > BTW, it's not just that I suddenly declared myself to be the new CSRG. I earned > this title, not just assumed it. Marshall Kirk McKusick himself (the previous > maintainer of CSRG) acknowledges me as the new principal maintainer and > architect. Oh, and he doesn't even object to my decision to undo all of his and > others' 1988-1995 work with the SCCS Time Machine. He said himself in a private > E-mail that he would love to see the golden old non-bloated system resurrected. > > I have used the term "True UNIX" several times in this message. Let me explain > what I mean. While others may view the history of UNIX as a tree (you hear > about UNIX history tree diagrams all the time), I view it as a straight line. > The straight line of _mainstream_ True UNIX development looks like this: > > V6 (Bell) -> V7 (Bell) -> 32V (Bell) -> 3BSD (UCB) -> 4.0BSD (UCB) -> 4.1BSD > (UCB) -> 4.2BSD (UCB) -> 4.3BSD (UCB) -> 4.3BSD-Tahoe (UCB) -> > 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0 (Michael Sokolov) -> future Quasijarus releases (Michael > Sokolov). > > For each release the responsible entity is indicated in parentheses. There are > several things worth noting here. Notice how after V7 and 32V the torch of True > UNIX development moves from Bell to UCB, never to return to Bell again. This is > because everything Bell did after that (System V and such) deviates from the > True UNIX ideology and loses the True UNIX torch. In late 1970s or early 1980s > UCB picks up this torch and carries it until 1988. In 1988 UCB starts deviating > from True UNIX too with the evil spirit of POSIX and everything, and loses the > torch. The torch was laying on the ground from that point until the 27th of > December 1998 when I picked it up with the 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0 release. Now I'm > carrying it into the next millennium. > > Check out the Quasijarus Project WWW page referenced in my mail signature. > > Michael Sokolov > TUHS 4BSD Coordinator > 4.3BSD-* Maintainer > Quasijarus Project Principal Architect & Developer > Phone: 440-449-0299 or 216-217-2579 > ARPA Internet SMTP mail: mxs46@k2.scl.cwru.edu > TUHS WWW page: http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/TUHS/ > Quasijarus WWW page: http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Quasijarus/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message