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[209.85.210.53]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p128sm2436629oic.7.2020.04.15.05.50.11 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Apr 2020 05:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f53.google.com with SMTP id m2so3283541otr.1; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 05:50:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7ca:: with SMTP id 68mr17102314oto.267.1586955010684; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 05:50:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19d0dbdc-f1ac-22f1-6934-076bb5733ab7@daemonic.se> In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:49:45 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: drm-i915kms + x11-intel eats out all of the ram and swap but not with x11-scfb To: Kevin Oberman Cc: Niclas Zeising , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , "freebsd-x11@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 492Mdd5vsBz3Hd4 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=Pi++4zVb; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::231) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.74 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-1.94)[ip: (-8.90), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:50:15 -0000 On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:38 PM Kevin Oberman wrote: d be a "good thing", though, other than this mailing list, I have no idea where to find current status and no idea where else users would look. > (..) > (..) graphics wiki page (..) I'm tempted to volunteer to try to update (..) I really love FreeBSD for its comprehensive and consistent/coherent documentation. I always give "The FreeBSD Handbook" as an example of perfect project documentation. It contains practical examples, is written both for new and advanced users, can be printed as a book. Everything in one place always up to date. Also you can type "man something" and you will usually get a man page for that something. This is in total opposition to Linux documentation that is spread around the net on various blogs and mostly irrelevant or outdated. >From what I understand, things under development are usually described on WIKI. Those wiki pages are sometimes outdated or could contain some more useful information and examples. But in general the are very useful and centralized source of information. Having a good WIKI could save time both for people asking questions and answering questions on various support media such as mailinglists or forums. Also wiki could be a source of documentation merge into the Handbook. Maybe if WIKI access is more liberal (but still moderated) then people (like me or Kevin) could put more detailed descriptions and examples. That could be the central point for information exchange on things under development and then practical examples source for stable stuff. It could be a single page organized in a Sections like I am used to: 1. Documentation - nicely edited human readable text or information that then sources the information to The FreeBSD Handbook. 2. TODO - a checklist that would point all tasks and subtasks to be done and marked as completed. 3. Examples - can show example configurations and use cases to be quickly applied in the field. 4. Workbench - a developer workbench scratchpad to leave developer readable comments, notes, memos. 5. References - anything helpful to understand the project for a new developers or users. The above sections are just an example that I got used to create when starting a project (for instance a bit outdated https://github.com/cederom/icederom) in a form of one simple page with everything in one place just like in The FreeBSD Handbook does :-) Besr regards :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info