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Date:      Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:54:12 -0400
From:      Brian T.Schellenberger <bts@babbleon.org>
To:        "Tortise@Paradise" <tortise@paradise.net.nz>, "Nick Sayer" <nsayer@quack.kfu.com>
Cc:        <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Poor Mans Software raid 1 on root partition?
Message-ID:  <20020716045412.71168BB2C@this_is.fake.com>
In-Reply-To: <00a601c22c79$1671d8e0$0900a8c0@P1200n>
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On Monday 15 July 2002 11:30 pm, tortise@paradise.net.nz wrote:
| Nick
| Many thanks for your detailed and considered response.  May I interact with
| it?  I shall presume I may.
|
| > If you don't want a tape drive, it's still a better idea to do dumps to
| > another disk rather than dd. Why?
| >
| > 1. You can compress the output of dump.
|
| I prefer to have a (potentially) running bootable backup drive, so it can
| be "hot swapped."  (Well almost)
|
| > 2. You don't have to have identically partitioned disks
|
| Would I have to, to do that????
|
| > 3. You won't get a "clean" filesystem copying it with dd. In fact, the
| > source filesystem may change enough over the course of the dd that the
| > resulting image may be completely useless.
|
| mmm  Now that is a problem to overcome.   Maybe I need Dump and restore to
| the backup HDD?


I don't think that you said anything about dd in the first place.

FWIW, I mirror with "rsync."  Even though it's not really remote it works 
nice for informal mirroring.

|
| > 4. You can potentially store many, many days worth of backups on the
| > alternate drive. This lets you restore not just last night's backup, but
| > potentially last *week's*.
|
| And presumably I could do this on multiple HDD's also?  I am afraid I am
| biased by HDD copying.  In my experience it works.  Almost always.  Can the
| same be said for Tape drives?  And there is no need to frig around
| restoring so up running more quickly.   Copying between HDD's is generally
| quicker than tapes.  (Well it was once)
|
| > Yes, doing a restore takes a little more time than simply booting the
| > other drive. But in practice, the likelyhood that you will really *need*
| > to do so is sufficiently low as to not be worthwhile, IMHO.
|
| I guess that depends on how old your HDD is.  The one in mind is old.  (1G
| is old isn't it??)   However in my (limited) experience I have had more new
| high performance drives fail under warranty than old ones.....  The 1G must
| be due to expire....LOL  Its mate did yrs ago.....
|
| > The only reason to consider software raid for a truly mission critical
| > application is if you've got a really large dataset in an external box
| > that you can move from one machine to another if you need to get back up
| > quickly. In that circumstance, presumably the contents of the system
| > disk of the machine don't matter, meaning that the application would
| > come back on line simply by moving the disk to another machine and
| > restarting it.
|
| This is what I want, that is an acceptable scenario for me, especially in
| terms of time input to fix and the (high) likelihood of it working.....
|
| If that's unreasonable, then the whole machine requires
|
| > RAID (among other things), which means you'll be getting a hardware RAID.
|
| IDE hardware RAID remains an option, (I think the promise cards are
| supported, this is not 100% clear) but given I have some spare SCSI HDD
| floating surplus I'd rather use them for now.....
|
| > But don't ever forget that RAID won't help you if you accidently do an
| > rm -rf / as root. :-) Data integrity is NOT a substitute for good
| > backups.
|
| Point well made.  There is no backup panacea.....
|
| We have to do what we judge to be acceptable....and cost effective and what
| we can live with in the event of......
|
| Any further comments welcomed, especially anything pointing me in a
| direction to proceed with.
| Regards
| David Hingston MB ChB MBA
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