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(not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BRppT1Xtkz4c5y for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 01:27:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.26.4]) by viclafep15p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20200813012724.ZWNF16180.viclafep15p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:27:24 +1000 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrleefgdegkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfupfevtfgpvffgnffuvffttedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecugedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhepfffhvffujgfkfhgfgggtsehttddttddtredvnecuhfhrohhmpeffrghvvgcujfhorhhsfhgrlhhluceouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepkeeiteejueeuhfefgeeuvdduieefvedugfevtdffkefhffejkefhuddtteehtefhnecukfhppeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheprghnvghurhhinhdrhhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoehfrhgvvggsshguqdhpohhrthhssehfrhgvvggsshgurdhorhhgqe X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (5.8.420) id 5E8A564B1689401A for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:27:23 +1000 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 07D1RM2T018534 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:27:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 07D1RLTs018531 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:27:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:27:21 +1000 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: FreeBSD Ports Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] Planned deprecation of portsnap In-Reply-To: <24369.29082.747815.264343@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: References: <87e338e4-d1bf-d26f-d60d-8ac55ae25b70@FreeBSD.org> <49F5ED94-5ED3-4314-81EF-0F54EF36F377@grem.de> <24369.29082.747815.264343@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BRppT1Xtkz4c5y X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dave@horsfall.org has no SPF policy when checking 203.38.21.79) smtp.mailfrom=dave@horsfall.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.83 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.29)[-0.294]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.74)[-0.744]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[horsfall.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.59)[-0.593]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1221, ipnet:203.36.0.0/14, country:AU]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[203.38.21.79:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 01:27:31 -0000 On Mon, 10 Aug 2020, Robert Huff wrote: >> There are many users who never create any patches, but simply use the >> ports tree to install software. > > Add my name to that list. Mine too; this is a great way to drive "ordinary users" away from FreeBSD and towards, gasp, Penguin/OS... I took up FreeBSD when BSD/OS was shut down by WinDriver and found that the OpenBSD bods weren't too friendly towards newbies; the Mac is now my major system (with porting attempts to FreeBSD and Penguin, then back). Well, at least it has FreeBSD roots... > (Used to use cvsup ... now subversion ... soon git ... where will > the insanity end? :-) ) Hah! I started with SCCS :-) Before that we had an in-house system called SLUP (Source Line Update Program? This was in the 70s, and was based upon that canonical example of diff/ed). -- Dave