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To: Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca>
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Subject: Re: Removal of catman from base
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In message <alpine.BSF.2.21.1709121210140.54096@orthanc.ca>, Lyndon Nerenb=
erg writes:
>> That was actually not why catman was brought into the world:  ATT/USL
>> thought text-processing was The Goods so they unbundled it base SVR
>> and invented catman to make up for the missing nroff.
>
>Not quite.  They (AT&T) sold the rights to sell typeset manuals to some =

>publishing house (I forget which), at which point they stopped shipping =

>the *roff source for the manpages on the source tapes.  Instead, you got =

>pre-formatted "cat" pages on the source tape.  I think this happened =

>starting with SVR3.

I'm pretty sure that SVR1 had catman and roff was an extra and somewhat
pricey software package.

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