From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 21:03:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A46C16A4CE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:03:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A46143D4C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:03:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joshua.lokken@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so202049wri for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:03:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=DeK/dE7mQjbbTIL8r8lEMGL/YuTMOt/3gxO9zQ0vEtqRzcVY6futebYAqMmAGQMvOqwqUGuVMOuUVd1NDALFQ69nAP+Va1lrCkPI+rFtJ2tY9uUle9aRBTDDnqeuJ/1IFOt52JB1jlwjdV/6Do93RGkKjeaGwfrbrtUK8bhqQak= Received: by 10.54.53.9 with SMTP id b9mr20841wra; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.11.33 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:03:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:03:37 -0600 From: Joshua Lokken To: Tom Vilot In-Reply-To: <41DC5507.5000908@vilot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1f7.3df7ca4.2f0da905@aol.com> <41DC5507.5000908@vilot.com> cc: Tm4528@aol.com cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joshua Lokken List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:03:38 -0000 On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:58:47 -0700, Tom Vilot wrote: > Tm4528@aol.com wrote: > Besides ... with a name like hardcodeharry, I would expect a little more > intelligence; a little more willingness to dig into things. A slight > tendency to ask the question: "how can I hack this code to work, and how > would I contribute those modifications to the BSD team?" > > But I see none of that. > > In short: troll. > > Anyone with a reasonable desire to use any of the *nixes would have > enough smarts to know: > > 1. check the hardware compatibility lists to determine whether or not > the hardware you want to run is going to work with the particular *nix > you want to use. This is no different between BSD and Linux, Solaris, etc. > > 2. Don't expect every damn piece of hardware out there to work out of > the box with an older version of the kernel for the given *nix. This is > NOT WINDOWS (thank god) and just because you have a particular piece of > hardware doesn't mean it's going to work. It is your responsibility to > know this and to work with it. > > 3. Ask questions politely in the appropriate forums, and be civil. > Failing to do so is probably not going to get your question answered. > > I for one was drafting a post for this list thanking *everyone* on it > for being the kind of terrific help they are when Boris' post appeared. > The kind of discourse I see on this list (and on other BSD oriented > lists) is a huge and welcome contrast to the childish banter I see on > most of the Linux (and MacOS and Windows) discussion lists out there. It > is like the kind of professional enthusiasm I remember on the BeOS lists. > > As a result ... please pardon me if I am intolerant of behavior and > attitudes that sound to me like that which I left behind when I put > FreeBSD on my laptop and two servers .... Very well said, Tom, and accurate. Thank you. -- Joshua Lokken Open Source Advocate