From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 14 18:27:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAC516A4CE; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:27:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arginine.spc.org (arginine.spc.org [195.206.69.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A094C43D39; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:27:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB706542F; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:27:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arginine.spc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 46860-03-2; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:27:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from empiric.dek.spc.org (adsl-67-121-95-134.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.121.95.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A732765414; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:27:21 +0100 (BST) Received: by empiric.dek.spc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EAEFB6465; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:27:15 -0700 From: Bruce M Simpson To: Andrey Chernov , Ian FREISLICH , Kris Kennaway , Robert Watson , Robert Huff , current@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <20041014182715.GB665@empiric.icir.org> References: <20041014000822.GA30887@nagual.pp.ru> <20041014164044.GA52765@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jI8keyz6grp/JLjh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041014164044.GA52765@nagual.pp.ru> Subject: Re: network slowness/freez-up since update 10/11 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:27:24 -0000 --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrey, I hate to sound rude here, but, if something's broken for you, and you want that situation to change, barking at developers on current@ is more likely to result in that code staying broken rather than being fixed. On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 08:40:44PM +0400, Andrey Chernov wrote: > There is nowhere said in this commit that if_de would or ever may be=20 > broken. Everydays something new coming, and this commit is one between=20 > similar others, nothing brings special attention to be aware of. I'll=20 > expect special 'WARNING: de owners' message to current in such situations= ,=20 > i.e. if something is not fixed to work together. I think your expectations of support are unrealistic here. FreeBSD is a largely unfunded volunteer open source project. de(4) has no official maintainer(s). Patches are welcome. On the other hand, if you want a commercial level of support, consider paying for it. If de(4) functionality is something you cannot live without, then consider offering a bounty, perhaps teaming up with other people who badly need de(4) support to match your funds and pool them. As a device for getting the attention and time of open source developers, this method works very well, and has been used here as well as in the OpenBSD community. Regards, BMS --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: '' iD8DBQFBbsUDueUpAYYNtTsRAr81AJ4x9txzlkLj/7CxyZ8hVO7lX7nK2wCgj5Qn 59KqMLX9vGtVvtnttbkwGmc= =Q8lY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh--