From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 8 02:41:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C237106568F; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:41:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from haro@kgt.co.jp) Received: from mail02.kgt.co.jp (dmz02.kgt.co.jp [210.141.246.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DB58FC14; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from haro@kgt.co.jp) Received: from navgw.tt.kgt.co.jp (unknown [210.141.246.71]) by mail02.kgt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB323C3DD4B; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:27:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (posh.tt.kgt.co.jp [192.168.15.51]) by navgw.tt.kgt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF504771C; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:27:22 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:27:27 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20081008.112727.12117220.haro@kgt.co.jp> To: peter@wemm.org From: haro@kgt.co.jp In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2 on Emacs 21.4 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cvs-src@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ** HEADS UP ** FreeBSD commit mail list changes X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: **OBSOLETE** CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:41:58 -0000 Hello Peter, I read most of FreeBSD messages through the following URL: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/ But messages on the newly created lists, e.g. svn-src-all, I cannot be browsed with the error below. Can you look into it, if you've got time. - Sample URL: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=22133+0+current/svn-src-all - Error message: The specified message cannot be accessed. As always, thanks for all the hard work on FreeBSD. Thanks, Haro From: "Peter Wemm" Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:13:51 -0700 ::*** HEADS UP *** :: ::FreeBSD.org switched from cvs to subversion (svn) for the src tree a ::few months ago. Since we were continuing to export the svn changes to ::cvs (and will continue to do so), we were sending out cvs commit ::messages. For the most part, non-developers didn't have much of a ::reason to notice that anything changed. :: ::However, we were generating svn-style commit messages internally ::within the developer group. This caused problems with post-commit ::discussions being fragmented and sometimes unintentionally not being ::publicly visible. :: ::To complete the transition process, I'm turning off cvs-style commit ::messages for the "src" tree entirely. The only commit messages will ::be svn-style. The cvs-src list will no longer get commit messages ::(and will go away), and cvs-all will no longer get "src" commit ::messages. (cvs-all will still get ports, projects, doc etc commits). :: ::In a brave attempt to try and make this transparent to end users, I ::put on my peril sensitive sunglasses and copied the cvs-all and ::cvs-src list members over to svn-src-all. :: ::I realize this breaks POLA and will cause some confusion for a short ::while, but it was the only practical way I could think of to get the ::switch-over done as quickly as possible. I apologize in advance for ::any problems I've caused to any of you. :: ::In a nutshell, the effects you'll see are: ::* New envelope sender address ::* different email headers (cvs* become svn*) ::* Some of you had your subscription set to 'nomail' - this was NOT ::preserved. Sorry! ::* If you had custom list passwords, they were not preserved either. ::* Some of you were subscribed to cvs-all in digest, but cvs-src in ::individual messages. Since the two were merged, where there was a ::conflict you'll get 'individual' email, not 'digest'. ::* obviously the email format you get will be different. If you've got ::filters or scripts parsing email, I'm sorry I broke them. ::* commit messages include diffs! Email messages can be quite a bit bigger. :: ::Please note that we have several sub-lists. You may well want to ::unsubscribe from svn-src-all@ and chose sub-lists instead. :: ::A summary of the new lists: :: ::svn-src-all SVN commit messages for the entire src tree ::(except for "user" and "projects") ::svn-src-head SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current ::svn-src-projects SVN commit messages for the src "projects" tree ::svn-src-release SVN commit messages for releases in the src tree ::svn-src-releng SVN commit messages for the release engineering / ::security commits to the src tree ::svn-src-stable SVN commit messages for all the -stable branches of the src tree ::svn-src-stable-6 SVN commit messages for only the 6-stable src tree ::svn-src-stable-7 SVN commit messages for only the 7-stable src tree ::svn-src-stable-other SVN commit messages for the old stable src trees ::svn-src-user SVN commit messages for the experimental "user" src tree ::svn-src-vendor SVN commit messages for the vendor work area tree :: ::For example.. you may only wish to get commit mail for the 7-stable ::branch. You can do that now. :: ::-releng commits are for release engineering and security errata commits. ::-release commits are when release tags get created. ::-user and -projects are for work-in-progress areas that are NOT part ::of the src tree yet. -projects are for WIP that is intended to be ::committed. -user is for experimental work that might or might not ever ::be committed to the base src tree. :: ::Again, apologies for the POLA violation. :: ::-- ::Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; KI6FJV ::"All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 ::"If Java had true garbage collection, most programs would delete ::themselves upon execution." -- Robert Sewell ::